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doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 1 JTC1 ad hoc March 2010 agenda 5 March 2010 Authors:

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 2 This presentation will be used to run the JTC1 Ad Hoc meetings in Orlando in March 2010 This presentation contains a proposed running order for the IEEE JTC1 Ad Hoc committee meeting in March 2010, including –Proposed agenda –Other supporting material It will be modified during the meeting to include motions, straw polls and other material referred to during the meeting

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 3 Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE- SA Patent Policy (IEEE-SA SB Bylaws subclause 6.2). Participants: –“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents — “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims –“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) –The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged; there is no duty to perform a patent search

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 4 There are a variety of patent related links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE- SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: –IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws — –IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual — Material about the patent policy is available at – If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at slideset.ppt

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 5 A call for potentially essential patents is not required in the JTC1 ad hoc If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: –Either speak up now or –Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or –Cause an LOA to be submitted

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 6 The JTC1 ad hoc will operate using general guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. –Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. –Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. — Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. — Technical considerations remain primary focus –Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. –Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. –Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 7 Links are available to a variety of other useful resources Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation – Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines – Link to IEEE Code of Ethics – Link to IEEE Patent Policy –

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 8 The JTC1 ad hoc will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization. Individuals are to address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter.

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 9 The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a very general proposed agenda Tuesday PM2 Call to Order Roll Call Select recording secretary Modify and approve agenda Conduct meeting according to agenda Recess Thursday AM2 Call to Order Roll Call Select recording secretary Continue meeting according to agenda Adjourn

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 10 The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered The agenda items that will be addressed this week are: Approval of minutes from previous meetings Review goals of JTC1 ad hoc Review status of Sponsor Ballot drafts sent to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Review status of PSDO related liaison sent to SC6 in Nov 09 Update on SC6 ballot to start a New Project related to WAPI Update on plans for a tutorial in Beijing in May 2010 on the Chinese standards development process Discuss any other JTC1/SC6 liaison matters

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 11 The JTC1 ad hoc will consider approving its agenda Motion to approve agenda The JTC1 ad hoc approves the agenda for its meeting in Orlando in March, as documented on pages 9-10 of 10/0xxxr0 Moved: Seconded Result

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 12 The JTC1 ad hoc will consider approval of previous minutes Motion to approve minutes The JTC1 ad hoc approves the minutes for its meeting in Los Angles in Jan 10, as documented in jtc-minutes-of-jtc1-ad-hoc-in- los-angeles-in-january-2010.doc Moved: Seconded Result

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 13 In Hawaii in Sept 09 the JTC1 ad hoc reaffirmed its general goals Agreed goals Provides a forum for members to discuss issues relevant to both: –IEEE 802 –ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Recommends positions to ExCom on ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 actions affecting IEEE (and IEEE 802) –Note that 802 LMSC holds the liaison to SC6, not WG Participates in dialog with IEEE staff and 802 ExCom on issues concerning IEEE’s relationship with ISO/IEC Organises IEEE members to contribute to liaisons and other documents relevant to the ISO/IEC JTC1 members …

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 14 The WG has agreed with SC6 to liaise Sponsor Ballot drafts to SC as a matter of course The WG proposed that it liaise every Sponsor Ballot draft to SC6 for review and comment as a matter of course SC6 indicated this was desirable in a liaison –… SC6 would welcome the opportunity to receive as a matter of course new draft text at the start of every Sponsor Ballot or Sponsor Ballot recirculation of developing IEEE work for circulation to its National Bodies. By this means SC6 National Bodies will have the opportunity to provide review and comment through liaison back to IEEE –See liaison from SC6 If any comments are received it is likely the Chair of the relevant TG will insert them into MyBallot suitably annotated, e.g., “Submitted on behalf of ISO JTC1 from ”

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 15 The WG has liaised four Sponsor Ballot drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 since Jan 2010 In recent times a number of drafts have been sent to SC6 –802.11v D9.0 on 4 Feb –802.11u D8.0 on 22 Feb –802.11p D10.0 on 21 Feb –802.11z D7.0 on 21 Feb The drafts were announced to the SC6 membership on 25 Feb, which highlights an issue between differences between typical IEEE and ISO timescales No comments have (yet) been received

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide WG sent a liaison to JTC1/SC6 in Nov 09 in relation to its intended use of the PSDO process In November 2009 the WG sent a liaison ( r1) that –Documents recent and planned future activities in the IEEE WG –Flags an intention to submit various documents using the PDSO process –Offers JTC1 and SC6 NBs the opportunity to submit comments into the SB process The liaison has been received and is posted in the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 document directory It was discussed at the SC6 meeting in Jan 10 but no reply was sent to the IEEE WG

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 17 It was recognised in Hawaii in Sept 09 that WAPI is the main JTC1/SC6 related issue of interest It was agreed in Hawaii in Sept 09 that WAPI remains an important and constant issue for consideration This is the case for a variety of reasons, possibly including: –WAPI appears to duplicate functionality of i –The promoters of WAPI assert that i is insecure — Albeit without any apparent published evidence –It is unclear how or whether i and WAPI can coexist –…

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 18 The new project proposal for WAPI in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 was approved WAPI was submitted by the China to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 as a New Project proposal for a stand alone standard IEEE 802 submitted a liaison to SC6 in Nov 09 in relation to the justification of the project –See r1 This liaison was discussed at the SC6 meeting in Jan 10 but no reply was received The SC6 National Bodies subsequently approved the New Project –10/18 NB’s votes “yes” (10 required) –5 NB’s stated they would participate in the project (5 required) It is not known when the new project activities will start

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 19 The IEEE may have an ongoing interest in the WAPI project The IEEE staff are still considering issues in the WAPI draft related to copyright The WG may have an opportunity to review drafts from the new project for compatibility with and for security The WG will need to consider WAPI when considering when a how to submit further amendments to ISO/IEC JTC1 as part of the series The WG may want to inform SC6 that the current draft of WAPI uses an IE identifier that conflicts with an IE identifier already allocated to k …

doc.: IEEE /0355r0 Submission Mar 2010 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 20 Update on plans for a tutorial in Beijing in May 2010 on the Chinese standards development process At the meeting in Jan 10 the JTC1 ad hoc and the WG agreed: –The JTC1 ad hoc recommends to the WG that appropriate Chinese standards groups be invited by the WG Chair to present a tutorial on the Chinese standards processes related to LAN/MAN/PAN networking technologies, in a slot in which IEEE 802 also describes its processes. This tutorial would be held sometime on Monday to Wednesday at the meeting in Beijing in May 2010 Bruce Kraemer has been discussing the possibility of a tutorial with various stakeholders –Bruce may provide an update