LOINC – SNOMED CT Cooperation on Content IHTSDO Business Meetings: IPaLM SIG & Observable and Investigation model project April 2016 London, England.

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LOINC – SNOMED CT Cooperation on Content IHTSDO Business Meetings: IPaLM SIG & Observable and Investigation model project April 2016 London, England

▪Cooperative agreement between RII and IHTSDO, July 2013 ▪Builds on strengths of each terminology ▪Minimize and manage duplication ▪SNOMED CT and LOINC work better together ▪Provide links between LOINC and SNOMED CT Background

▪Scope ▪Laboratory LOINC ▪Vital signs ▪Physiologic measurements ▪Anthropomorphic measurements and evaluations ▪Phases ▪Initial ▪Top 2000 lab LOINC tests ▪Microbiology ▪Chemistry ▪Vital signs ▪Subsequent ▪Remainder of lab LOINC ▪Measurements Project scope

Map LOINC parts to SNOMED Jan 2014 April 2014 Map LOINC codes to SNOMED expressions Roadmap Alpha release – Phase 1-3 Candidate baseline Release (Beta) Alpha prototype (owl) August 2016 October 2014 Develop distribution format LOINC Answer sets mapped to SNOMED codes September 2015 April 2016

▪Released on April 1, 2016 with documentation a.Main objective: Change format of expressions from nested to flat b.Included minor changes in content, based on the feedback on the previous releases a.4051 LOINC Parts in LOINC Part to SNOMED CT RefSet b LOINC Terms in LOINC Term to Expression RefSet c.Due date to provide feedback: May 31, 2016 Alpha release – Phase 3

▪Evaluation of feedback on Alpha release, Phase 3 – Spring 2016 ▪Prepare and release Candidate Baseline– Summer 2016 ▪Finalize map of LOINC Parts to SNOMED CT concepts – Pending receiving full set from RII ▪Resolve some known/upcoming complex content issues ▪Implement SNOMED CT Observables model to define existing pre-coordinated SNOMED CT concepts – Pending implementation of Observable model and development of tooling Next steps

▪ Feedback on Alpha release – phase 3 (using JIRA Tracking Tool in Confluence) ▪ LE/LOINC+Alpha+Release+Feedback LE/LOINC+Alpha+Release+Feedback ▪ General queries to IHTSDO Project Team ▪ ▪ Subject: LOINC – SNOMED CT Cooperation Project Contact information

LOINC - SNOMED CT Issue discussion – IPaLM SIG

▪E.g. ▪(Gadus morhua+Mytilus edulis+Pandalus borealis+Salmo salar+Thunnus albacares) Ab.IgE:Threshold:Pt:Ser:Ord:Multidisk Mapping - Multidisk allergen assays

▪“The component for the multidisk allergen assays is problematic. The antibody is not a single substance directed against all of the allergen but one or more antibodies directed against one or more allergens.” ▪We have other terms that include “+” sign ▪"Neisseria meningitidis B+Escherichia coli K1 Ag:ACnc:Pt:CSF:Ord" Mapping - Multidisk allergen assays

▪LOINC manual: ▪“If two or more constituents are measured as one quantity, each constituent should be named and the component separated by a plus sign, e.g., Cyclosporine+metabolites or Human papilloma virus DNA. If multiple analytes are measured separately, the analytes are separated by an ampersand (&) surrounded by spaces. Two cases that use the ampersand convention are the names of panel terms and impression terms." ▪X + Y concepts in SNOMED CT ▪Do we need multiple components in the model? ▪Can this be related to “X + Y (substance)” subsumption issues? Mapping X + Y concepts

Substance vs. Electrolyte

LOINC - SNOMED CT Issue discussion – Observable and Investigation Model project

▪Outstanding subsumption issues: ▪Component - X + Y Substance ▪Property - Ratio subsuming SRto and Mrto ▪Property - NCnc subsuming LNCnc ▪Bacteria biotype Subsumption

X + Y Substance ▪In many instances X + Y is subsumed by X and/or Y. ▪RII feedback: “in the example it looks like X+Y and Y are subsumed by X. And wouldn’t it be more accurate to have X+Y as a parent of both X and Y?” ▪RII feedback: “wouldn’t it be more accurate to have C4-DC+C5- OH as a parent of both?”

X + Y substance – ctd. ▪RII feedback: «Why not: ▪Neisseria meningitidis B + E coli K1 ▪Neisseria mening B + E Coli K1…:LA ▪E coli K1 ▪E coli K1…:LA» ▪RII feedback: «glycine, alanine and sarcosine are distinct, though sometimes alanine and sarcosine can overlap…”

X + Y substance – ctd. ▪Discrepancy to the rule?

Properties ▪Is the following to be expected? ▪RII feedback: “No, I don’t think this one is correct. The property “Ratio” isn’t a more generic parent of MRto and SRto, rather, it means that the numerator and denominator have different properties. So MRto means mass/mass, SRto means moles/moles, and for this particular term, Ratio means moles/mass.” ▪RII feedback: “I think this one is correct, but you might want to verify that with a mathematician or statistician.”

Bacteria biotype

▪RII feedback: “I don’t know much about “biotype”, but the description makes me think that it should not be a parent of serovar/serotype terms: Bacteria biotypes (biovars) are strains that are differentiated by biochemical or other non-serological means usually by numbers and letters. In contrast, a serotype (serovar) is a strain differentiated by serological means.” Bacteria biotype

▪“ the Component attribute while working with the snomed2owl script: it is role grouped when used with Procedures and not role grouped when used with Observables. Can think of three solutions: ▪Amend the role grouping rules in the tooling to allow for this difference (could be complex for implementers and susceptible to human error) ▪Make two "component" attributes ▪Role group observables” Problem with Component attribute

▪‘Presence OR identity’ ▪333 observables have both property type Prid and a specified component. While Presence as a property type is debatable, it should not be modeled as a relational observable, i.e. component should not be used. ▪‘Presence’ ▪73 observables have both property type Presence and a specified component. Same as Prid Inheres in + Component vs. Inheres in + Inherent location

▪There are Observables as values for the attributes: ▪Property type: 30 ▪Appearance ▪Color ▪Characterizes: 401 observables which uses Characterizes ▪ | Excretory function (observable entity) | Processes and Observables should be in different hierarchies. A new Qualifier value sub-hierarchy? Needed for Functioning observables as well. ▪Component: 39 ▪Anion gap (calculated observable) ▪Coagulation and sedimentation (process observables) ▪Findings ▪Specimen source ▪Motile spermatozoa (subclassification of cell) Observables defining/ Defined by observables

▪Where Property is rates (SRat, MRat, VRat, NRat, etc.): ▪create a process observable, with no change in Time and Direct site values (stays the same as LPs) ▪Where Property is anything but rates (Mcnc, Scnc, Acnc, etc.) AND System = urine AND Time = 24 hrs, we create a quantity observable: ▪Specimen = Change map from Urine → hour urine sample (specimen) ▪Time = Change 24hrs → Single point in time (qualifier value) Inheres in stays the same ▪The question is if the same applicable to other systems? e.g. 24 hour dialysis - should it modelled as 24 hour urine is? Mapping timed specimens

▪Evaluation procedure ▪Orderables and Panels Other discussion items