History and Philosophy of the Black Hole Information Paradox

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History and Philosophy of the Black Hole Information Paradox Jeroen van Dongen & Sebastian de Haro U. Amsterdam & Cambridge U. BHI, Harvard, May 2017

Questions: Why BH central object of theoretical study? How have theorists interacted with BH and each other? Can that inform us about how BH moved from one community to another and the nature of the info loss debate? Can that inform us about rationality in theory context? What does that tell us about how science works?

Leonard Susskind on 1993: “Generally, like most physicists, I am not very interested when philosophers opine about how science works. [But] shortly before the Santa Barbara Conference [on black holes] I had read Thomas Kuhn’s book ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’. Kuhn’s ideas seemed right on target; they managed to put into focus my own fuzzy thoughts about the way physics had advanced in the past and, more to the point, how I hoped it was progressing in 1993. […] I felt that the Black Hole War was a classic struggle for a new paradigm” (2008) Kuhn enlisted in discursive strategy

BH as ‘Borderline problem’

Pre-history Laws of BH mechanics (’70-73): d𝑀= 1 8 𝜅d𝐴+ Ω 𝐻 d𝐽 & 𝛿𝐴≥0 Bekenstein (’72-73): 𝑆=𝐴/4 Early results QFT in classical curved spacetimes (’69-73)

Hawking radiation (’74-75) At 𝒥 − : 𝜙=∑(𝑓𝑎+ 𝑓 𝑎 + ) & At 𝒥 + : 𝜙=∑(𝑝𝑏+ 𝑝 𝑏 + ) Then: 𝑎=∑ 𝛼𝑏+𝛽 𝑏 + Exact black body thermal state (Wald 1975)

Hawking 1976: information loss 𝜓∈ ℋ 𝑖𝑛𝑡 ⨂ ℋ 𝑒𝑥𝑡 𝜌 𝑒𝑥𝑡 = Tr ℋ 𝑖𝑛𝑡 𝜓 𝜓 =∑𝑝 𝜙 𝑒𝑥𝑡 𝜙 𝑒𝑥𝑡 Pure  Mixed state Infalling vs. External observer: No particles for infaller

Early responses (pre-1982) “When I heard Hawking’s info loss result, I thought, ‘Wow! Neat!’ Quickly accepted by the dozen or so GR people who mattered.” (Wald 2012) “Created no waves among particle physicists. I did not know about it” (’t Hooft 2012) Citation analysis: QFT & GR communities

--’t Hooft: Constructive approach with spin lattices --’t Hooft: Cargese: Hawking’s Euclidean path integral derivation; Meeting Hawking, Cambridge 1977-78

Late 70s QG: disparate fields Meetings across fields? Discussions? Unruh (2012): “No. Particle physicists were not interested in gravity from the 1930s through the 1970s.” ’t Hooft (2012): “Relativists protested the way I treated [the metric in renormalization study]. The metric was absolutely sacrosanct!” “We had two different ways of looking at reality and were not yet ready to look at how descriptions could fit together. […] Communication across fields is difficult in physics. How can you make clear that two approaches that look different, that use different words and expressions, address the same problem?”

Early 1980s: particle physicists Unruh: “Suddenly these particle physicists turned up and there was a problem. I still don’t get what was so problematic.” Hawking 1982 paper? Susskind (2008): 1981 EST meeting; ’t Hooft unsure ’t Hooft (2012) “My reaction was: [non-unitary evolution] is impossible. A black hole is just like other objects. Like a bucket of water. Hawking laughed at the contradictions with QFT: ‘Then you guys are wrong!’”

Susskind and ’t Hooft papers 1984, Contradiction with QFT: Banks-Susskind-Peskin argument: “‘$-matrix’ gives information loss  generates entropy  generates heat  energy conservation violated” 1985, ’t Hooft: ‘S-matrix Ansatz’ (‘principle approach’): “We start with the postulate that there exists an extension of Hilbert space comprising black holes, and that a Hamiltonian can be precisely defined in this Hilbert space […].” Deduce S-matrix, element by element by focusing on horizon interactions

Principle approach  1993: Holography (new principle!): “Given any closed surface, we can represent all that happens inside it by degrees of freedom on this surface itself.” “[Q]uantum gravity should be described entirely by a topological quantum field theory, in which all physical degrees of freedom can be projected onto the boundary.”

1980s: clash without a debate Susskind (2008): “The Equivalence Principle and Quantum Mechanics were on a collision course.” “Only eight journal articles from that entire period address the question of information loss in black holes. I wrote one of them, and ’t Hooft wrote all the rest, largely expressing his faith in the S-matrix.”

1980s: Poor communication Unruh on BSP: “Simply wrong.” Wald: “Disagree with its assumptions.” Unruh on ’t Hooft: “could not follow those articles at all” Little cross-disciplinary communication throughout: Wald: “Spoken with maybe 6 particle physicists. In [2010] I finally spoke with Banks at Seven Pines” (2012) “Different in ‘firewall’ debate!” (Wald 2016)

Early 90s string theory interest: first new calculations 1993 Susskind: BHs are focal point due to CGHS black holes (1+1 dim) that ‘solve’ info problem Unruh: New interest in info paradox?? “I did not follow that literature” ’t Hooft: “When string theorists finally got started [in 3 + 1 dim] they got it completely wrong. Remnants!”

Key moments 1990s 1993 BH Complementarity Wald: “Violates local laws of QM. Radical idea to solve a problem I don’t see as radical” Susskind: “Info paradox arrived in a big way”; poll numbers start shifting, reach break even point 1993/4: Still not many calculations to do

1995 Introduction D-branes 1996 Strominger-Vafa calculate extremal bh entropy result (unitary theory!) Susskind (2008): “The jig was up”; “paradigm shift” inevitable 1997 AdS/CFT 1998 Witten shows: AdS/CFT is holografic, bh is unitary on boundary. Susskind: “I knew the bh war was finished”

Numbers change because work to do ’t Hooft: “My graduate students did not work on the subject because it was difficult to do a proper calculation. That changed with the arrival of string theory interest and D-branes” Susskind: Paradigm shift happens when: “1. unexpected exp/math result; 2. technically sophisticated; 3. new ideas provide lots of work for others to do”

Susskind’s language Martial (The Black Hole War and My Battle with Steven Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum Mechanics); “neutrals” turned “allies”; and Emotional High stakes: “Clash of principles”, “Holographic Principle” Certain: “[Maldacena and Witten] proved that beyond any shadow of a doubt that information would never be lost” But NO deductive certainty: status AdS/CFT, AdS spaces, idealizations and approximations, # of dimensions, etc.

Susskind’s (2008) language: Kuhnian ‘winner’ Susskind: “Paradigm shift”, with a ‘higher’ paradigm Holography is now ‘normal science’ “The Black Hole War is over (this claim may upset a handful of people who are still fighting it)” “Steven and many in the GR community continued to be blinded by Hawking’s early arguments” “Hawking had become a tragic figure [who] didn’t get the point”

The role of training Susskind: “It all came down to: which principles do you trust? […] Hawking was too classically wired” ’t Hooft: “Hawking works rather abstractly. Euclidean gravity etc. I like concrete things: particles. Wald, too, is much attached to axiomatic QFT in curved spaces. He really has the relativist’s vision; of people that grew up in GR, have been pampered by GR” Who has the proper authority?  Frustration

The role of training (Wheeler) Wald: “Most particle physicists are not used to non-Cauchy type evolution laws because they have always worked in flat spacetime. They do not start with a spacetime point of view, but it is awfully difficult to understand a black hole if you do not have a spacetime point of view” Unruh: “Particle physicists’ training is strongly rooted in flat spacetime (no singularities, or issues with causality). Unitarity was hammered into them by their professors, so that they stopped thinking about it. Their thought processes are really all stuck down there in flat spacetime”

Today String theorists feel vanquished (AdS/CFT). Susskind (2008): “The Holographic Principle” is not speculative anymore, but tool! Yet: Firewall debate (since 2012) Unruh on AdS/CFT: “I distrust the argument. Can I point to anything? No. I don’t understand string theory well enough.” Wald on AdS/CFT: “It is completely unsatisfactory with regards to providing an explanation as to how things work locally.”

Today Hawking 2004: conversion. Susskind: not much impressed (2008) Unruh (2012): “I was annoyed. Hand waving arguments, following Maldacena, meagre results” Retrained himself in string theory Co-authors paper on pure state at infinity, 2016

Paradigm shift? Borderline problem produces Anomaly: the Paradox Holography and demotion of spacetime (incommensurability?) More field theorists poor into subject; tipping point No Gestalt switches Continuities too: semiclassical calculation and techniques stayed the same and equally valid (approximative: sufficient or not); Allows for hold-outs

‘Trading zone’, but no creole language according to Relativists Cultures of theory: the role of pedagogy No deductive certainty; Theoreticians’ regress Micro-meso-macro, theoretical ‘instrument’: The Internet! “Information”

BH traveled from GR to QFT Not just ‘clash of principles’ but of ways of doing and being as well: shedding GR rigor, for example Or e.g. not treating the metric as ‘sacrosanct’ Conflict of values; rationality as the weighing of values The black hole moves from a less to a more ‘dominant’ culture

‘Acculturation’ of semiclassical GR in QFT Acculturation: integration, separation, marginalization, assimilation ‘Integration’? Comes with status loss ‘Separation’ (“Old guys, that just don’t get it”) Communication important Wald: now “more intermarriage”

The Firewall Nature: “Another option, so controversial, that few dare to champion it: maybe Hawking was right all those years ago and information is lost” AdS/CFT “cited 9000 times” Polchinski (2013): “deepest ever insight into gravity”; like Maxwell’s unfications Bousso (2013): “Nobody wants to entertain the possibility that Maldacena is wrong”

Conclusion Novel role of “non-empirical theory assessment”, we need to “alter the philosophical understanding of the relation between a physical theory and the world” (Dawid 2013). Neo-Reichenbachian ‘induction from theory’ Really? No: info-paradox shows that the Kuhnian-Galisonian picture applies perfectly well: rational science as a weighing of values Don’t fall for calls for a return to Popperian prescriptions