Agenda for PDED ad hoc teleconference on 25 October 2016 July 2010 doc.: IEEE 802.11-10/0xxxr0 Agenda for PDED ad hoc teleconference on 25 October 2016 24 Oct 2016 Authors: Name Company Phone email Andrew Myles Cisco +61 2 84461010 +61 418 656587 amyles@cisco.com Andrew Myles, Cisco Andrew Myles, Cisco

Welcome to the fifth teleconference of the PDED ad hoc This group is the IEEE 802.11 PDED Ad Hoc and not the IEEE 802.11 EDPD Ad Hoc which is used in the e-mail calling the teleconference PDED stands for Preamble Detect Energy Detect PDED is an attempt to encapsulate the goal of the group … … which is to discuss issues related to the 3GPP RAN1 request to IEEE 802.11 WG to adopt an ED of -72dBm The IEEE 802.11 PDED Ad Hoc was formed in September 2016 at the Warsaw interim meeting Andrew Myles was appointed as Chair Andrew Myles, Cisco

There will be weekly teleconferences as necessary and two sessions at the plenary in San Antonio The PDED ad hoc Chair has given notice of weekly teleconferences Tuesday, 27 Sep @ 2pm PT Tuesday, 4 Oct @ 2pm PT (cancelled; lack of submissions) Tuesday, 11 Oct @ 2pm PT Tuesday, 18 Oct @ 2pm PT (cancelled; clashes with WFA meeting in Madrid) Tuesday, 25 Oct @ 2pm PT (today) Tuesday, 1 Nov @ 2pm PT (cancelled; prepare for San Antonio instead) The PDED ad hoc Chair has requested two session slots in San Antonio based on a draft agenda (16-11-1307-00) Tuesday AM2 Thursday PM1 Teleconferences and sessions will be cancelled if there is insufficient material Andrew Myles, Cisco

The first task for the PDED ad hoc today is to appoint a secretary It is important to keep proper minutes of all PDED meetings However, it is generally not practical to Chair a meeting and take minutes at the same time Especially without a recording  Therefore we need a volunteer for a Secretary Thomas Derham (Broadcom) did a great job in the 1st/3rd teleconferences … … but sharing is good, particularly as Thomas is presenting today!  The rewards for the Secretary are numerous Power over the ad hoc … … respect from your peers … and a beverage from the Chair in San Antonio Andrew Myles, Cisco

For attendance recording purposes please send an e-mail to the Chair and secretary It would be useful to know who & how many are in attendance on this call Please send an “I am attending PDED ad hoc” email to: amyles@cisco.com <secretaries e-mail> Andrew Myles, Cisco

The PDED ad hoc will review the official IEEE-SA patent material for pre-PAR groups All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object. Andrew Myles, Cisco

The PDED ad hoc will review the official IEEE-SA patent material for pre-PAR groups If you have questions: Contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org Visit standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. This slide set is available at: development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.ppt Andrew Myles, Cisco

Links are available to a variety of other useful resources July 2010 doc.: IEEE 802.11-10/0xxxr0 Links are available to a variety of other useful resources Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Link to IEEE Code of Ethics http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html Link to IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Andrew Myles, Cisco Andrew Myles, Cisco

July 2010 doc.: IEEE 802.11-10/0xxxr0 The PDED ad hoc will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization Meetings shall be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization Individuals shall address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about others Andrew Myles, Cisco Andrew Myles, Cisco

The PDED ad hoc will consider a proposed agenda Bureaucratic stuff – done! Where are we? A quick summary of progress so far Are there any submissions today? 11-16-1344-00 – “Proposed response to 3GPP ED request” by Thomas Derham (Broadcom) Will participants be willing to make future submissions? Pressure from the Chair for people to do work Any objections to this agenda? Andrew Myles, Cisco

Where are we? Andrew Myles, Cisco

The goal of the ad hoc is to decide on a response to 3GPP RAN1’s request for an ED of -72dBm In Warsaw, it was agreed that the goal of PDED ad hoc is to is to discuss issues related to 3GPP RAN1’s request to IEEE 802.11 WG to adopt an ED of -72dBm The ad hoc could take one of a variety of positions Accept the request Maybe without reasons to 3GPP RAN1, but presumably after confirmation from TGax Reject the request Presumably with reasons Propose an alternative to the request Possibly based on previous requests to 3GPP RAN1 that they adopt PD Ignore the request Not very polite! Andrew Myles, Cisco

The first teleconference introduced the group and proposed at least one path forward First teleconference details Agenda Minutes First teleconference summary Chair introduced aims of group Chair summarised the 3GPP RAN1 request for ED of -72dBm Chair noted that ETSI BRAN activities suggests IEEE 802.11 is going to have to deal with this issue at some point Chair suggested an evaluation mechanism based on testing/simulation Chair made call for submissions/ideas Andrew Myles, Cisco

The third teleconference introduced the group and proposed at least one path forward Third teleconference details Agenda Minutes Third teleconference summary Chair introduced aims of group Brainstorming PD is important for legacy 802.11, and likely for frequency re-use in 802.11ax LAA does not use PD despite previous suggestions from 802.11 ETSI not relevant to question about whether PD should be used Agreed that the RAN1 request for -72dBm is shorthand Chair made a request for future submissions Andrew Myles, Cisco

Are they any other submissions today? Andrew Myles, Cisco

The ad hoc has received its first submission, ignoring anything the Chair has ever done!  Submissions 11-16-1344-00 – “Proposed response to 3GPP ED request” by Thomas Derham (Broadcom) Andrew Myles, Cisco

The ad hoc will brainstorm … Are we ready to start drafting a reply? Is there an interest in generating evidence based on simulation/testing? What other evidence do we have to drive a response? … Andrew Myles, Cisco

Are participants planning to make future submissions? Andrew Myles, Cisco

Are participants planning to make future submissions? Please request time on the next agenda (in San Antonio) as soon as possible I have heard rumours of possible submissions from folk from: Broadcom (I am assuming they will want to build on today’s work) HPE Qualcomm Self (Peter Ecclesine) Any confirmations or any others? Is anyone interested in drafting a possible response? Andrew Myles, Cisco

The PDED ad hoc teleconference is adjourned! Reminder: please send an “I am attending PDED ad hoc” email to: amyles@cisco.com <secretaries e-mail> Andrew Myles, Cisco