DRAFT JOINT VISION FOR ALIGNED REVISIONS OF ISO 14001 AND ISO 9001 ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

Outline of Presentation What is the Mandate for this work Who is involved in JTG? Progress to date How did we get to where we are Joint Vision High Level Structure Member Body Responses Identified Key Concerns The future Timeline ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Mandate ISO/TMB Resolution 3/2004 invites the chairmen of ISO TC 207 Environmental management, ISO TC176 Quality management and quality assurance and ISO CASCO to establish a group to develop a joint vision to ensure that future revisions of ISO 14001 and ISO 9001 have common elements, described by common text and terminology ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Mandate The task of developing the joint vision was later delegated to the Joint Task Group on Coordination between ISO TC207/SC1 and ISO TC176/SC2 (JTG) following a meeting of the ISO TC 207 and ISO TC 176 Joint Coordination Group (JCG) ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Mandate The task has evolved to develop: A Joint Vision An Implementation Plan for achieving the Joint Vision A communications programme ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Who is involved in the JTG TC207/SC1 Co-Convener + 6 Experts TC176/SC2 Co-Convener + 6 Experts TC176/SC1 TC207/ TCG ISO/CASCO IAF ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Progress to date JTG Meetings: Nov 04 Kuala Lumpur May 05 Cartagena Sept 05 Madrid Documents circulated: Preliminary draft Joint Vision Progress Report Communiqués Planned Workshops ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 How did we get to where we are ? Brainstormed - issues for JTG work - issues for Joint Vision Examined the results of previous JTG liaison activity, including proposals for different structural models Looked at continuity with current standards Proposed – Joint Vision (“Identical” emphasis) - a systems based high level structure Reviewed Member Body reaction to Joint Vision Edited Joint Vision statement ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Edited Joint Vision Statement The future revisions of ISO 14001 and ISO 9001 will be aligned and will seek to enhance further the current levels of compatibility between the two standards, through the promotion of identical; Clause titles Sequence of clause titles Text, and Definitions that are permitted to diverge only where necessitated by specific differences in managing environment or quality. ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

Outline of possible system-based structure (Unchanged) Context of the organization (Consideration of the needs and expectations of interested parties (including customers and stakeholders)) Leadership (Commitment and actions by management) Support (Resources and other needs that enable the organization to function) Operations (Activities/processes that make the organization achieve its purpose) Performance evaluation (Measurement and data gathering, analysis and use) Improvement (Action to enhance the organization's performance) ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Member Body Responses 34 responses received on the Joint Vision and High Level Structure (32 countries did not respond) Question 1 – What is your reaction to the preliminary draft Joint Vision statement? Positive - 25 Neutral - 4 Negative - 3 Insufficient Information - 2 ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Member Body Responses Question 2 – What is your reaction to the proposed outline high level structure? Positive - 21 Neutral - 2 Negative - 4 Insufficient information - 7 ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Member Body Responses Question 3 – Should we continue with this work? Yes - 29 No - 1 Abstain - 3 ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Member Body Responses JTG Analysis of Member Body responses The questionnaire returns show a clear majority support for both the Joint Vision Statement and the outline high level structure; Nevertheless a number of Member Body comments did express certain concerns ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Identified Key Concern 1. “The change to a new structure may involve additional costs to current users and may result in little added value” JTG Response: JTG to conduct a survey (see also Q2) which will address this issue, among others The changes may be beneficial to new and existing users The adoption of new concepts may offset the cost of change for existing users ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Identified Key Concern 2. “A survey of the market need for this work is necessary before any detailed work is carried out” JTG Response: JTG will be undertaking a number of initiatives to establish user and market needs, in parallel with ongoing JTG activities ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Identified Key Concern 3. “There are fundamental differences in concepts relating to the effective management of environment and quality and they could be lost during this work” JTG Response: The JTG will identify such issues, and will refer them to the respective SCs during the development of the “Design Specifications” and the revisions to the standards ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Identified Key Concern 4. “ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 should be retained as individual management system standards. JTG Response: We agree, and are working towards this objective ! ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 Identified Key Concern 5. “Detailed plans will be needed that will identify how the JTG will communicate and co-ordinate the drafting of the aligned versions of the standards” JTG Response: A communication programme is being developed Co-ordination issues are being examined for inclusion as a sub-component of the Implementation Plan. ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14 The Future Seek approval from the TCs / SCs for the Joint Vision Identifying user/market needs Forward the approved Joint Vision to the TCs for inclusion in the TCs response to TMB 3/2004 Draft “Design Specification for Common Elements”, including: Consideration of the existing standards Identifying new management system needs for the standards in 2012 Seeking approval for a new structure applicable to both stds. Activation of the Implementation Plan Continuation of the communications programme ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14

Estimated publication date for revised stds: 2012 Timeline See the draft Schedule of activities in the annex to TC207/SC1/N481, TC176/SC2/N 726 Target for completion of Joint Vision and for completion of the Design Specification for the Common Elements of 14001/9001 2008 Estimated publication date for revised stds: 2012 ISO/TC 176/SC 2 & ISO/TC 207/SC 1, JTG N 26, 2005-09-14