Missed Triggers II Return of the Forgotten Ones Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

What is a Missed Trigger? Triggered Ability has to trigger Controlling player “forgets” it Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

When is a Trigger Forgotten? Target required Change in visible game state Choice required Rule-changing Non-visible effect Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

What is not a Missed Trigger? Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly Game got rushed past the Trigger Trigger that makes delayed trigger Trigger that makes copies Trigger without impact Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Missed delayed triggers What has changed? Missed delayed triggers Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Still depends on the situation Remedy Still depends on the situation Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Optional action You may Possible Situations Optional action You may Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Optional action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: nothing As a Judge: nothing Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Mandatory Action Usually beneficial Usually detrimental Possible Situations Mandatory Action Usually beneficial Usually detrimental Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 25th November 2012 WHO’S THAT MAGIC CARD? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 2nd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Oirschot By Bemindt Jona – 25th November 2012

Beneficial mandatory trigger As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Only if asked by Opponent Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack No Warnings Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Detrimental mandatory trigger As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Issue a Warning Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack if asked Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Possible Situations Default action If you don’t.../...unless Associated with choice made by controller Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Default action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Issue a Warning Always resolve default action (2 possibilities) Everything still legal? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Delayed Trigger Changes zone of an object Possible Situations Delayed Trigger Changes zone of an object Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Default action As a Player: try to remember next time As an Opponent: you can call a Judge As a Judge: Issue a Warning? Always resolve default action (2 possibilities) Everything still legal? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Possible Situations 5. You don’t want to An ability you control triggers You know about the trigger You choose to ignore it Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 You don’t want to No longer a Missed Trigger Unsporting Conduct - Cheating Handle it as such Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

What about the opponent? Is never issued a Warning Can call a Judge: Duration of the effect has not yet expired OR Trigger was missed less than a turn ago Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Recapitulation Warnings for unintentionally missed detrimental trigger Only intervene if: Called by the Opponent You want to issue a Warning You suspect Shenanigans Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Philosophical Grounds Common and invisible Remember your own triggers Don’t have to play the game for your Opponent Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure Time! Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure I Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure I Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure I Both players are now tapped out Neville blocks with the Hoplite Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies” Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Adventure I Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure II Aragog controls a Desecration Demon Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped Aragog says: “declare attack?” Nagini says: “sure!” Aragog attacks with the Demon Nagini calls the Judge Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure II Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Adventure II Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure III In Narcissa’s last turn, she casted Akroan Horse an gave it to Arabella Arabella untaps, and draws a card Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Adventure III Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Adventure III Do you interfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013

By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 Questions? Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013