July 2008 Mesh Meeting Agenda doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 July 2008 Mesh Meeting Agenda Date: 2008-07-16 Authors: Name Address Affiliations Phone Email Donald Eastlake 3rd 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA Motorola +1-508-634-2066 d3e3e3@gmail.com Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

IEEE 802.11s: Mesh Networking Task Group July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 IEEE 802.11s: Mesh Networking Task Group TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Denver, Colorado 14-17 July, 2008 Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd. (Motorola) d3e3e3@gmail.com +1-508-634-2066 Technical Editor: Anthony Maida (3eTI) Secretary: Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 The Hyatt Regency Denver July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Venue The Hyatt Regency Denver Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

General Flow of the TGs Meeting July 2008 General Flow of the TGs Meeting Monday Administrivia and Status TGs Process Presentation Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Tuesday Wednesday Security Presentations Thursday TGs Process Discussion Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes Other Technical Presentations Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room Call meeting to Order Miscellaneous Announcements Review of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Approval of Agenda Approval of Minutes Jacksonville meeting minutes: 11-08/580r2 Teleconference minutes: May 28, June 25, July 9: 11-08/704r0, 11-08/749r0, 11-08/793r0 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Miscellaneous Announcements July 2008 Miscellaneous Announcements Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended! The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff. Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area! Individual membership In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization. Photographs and Recordings No sound recordings are permitted at 802.11 WG or TG meetings. No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission. Media – Press and Analyst briefings Only the 802.11/.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working groups The Book Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

July 2008 Important Stuff Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda. Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions: http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Anti-Trust: http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf IEEE Ethics: http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html Letter of Assurance Form: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf IEEE Patent Committee: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html IEEE Patent Policy: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Patent FAQ: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Patent Related Links July 2008 All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6 IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual http://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3 Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Call for Potentially Essential Patents July 2008 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Automated Attendance Recording July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Automated Attendance Recording Go to http://newton/11/attendance (Documents: http://802server.events.ieee.org/ or 172.16.0.10 or just http://newton) Sign-in Claim attendance credit for each session. Only “sign-in” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others. You have to log in every session! Do NOT use 802wirelessworld for anything! Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room Status of TGs Draft and Comment Resolutions Draft D2.0+ “Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 126”, 11-08/493r14 The substance of comments 374, 763, and 1065 are not to be discussed Motion to re-open four comments, made seconded and then postponed to start of next session. Presentation and Discussion on Process “TGs Process, July”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-08/831r1 “Power Save For 802.11s”, 11-08/0757r3, Jarrko Knecht (Nokia) “Easy-to-Resolve SAE Comments from LB126”, 11-08/0753r2, Dan Harkins (Aruba) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room “HT Features in Mesh Network”, 11-08/0798r2, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems) Straw Poll: Do you think 11s should do more work to integrate 11n features in a 11s mesh network? Yes: 21 No: 1 Don’t know: 9 (at ~7:45) Moved, To adopted the Draft changes in 11-08/753r2 and direct the editor to incorporate them into the draft resolving CIDs 135, 136, 140, 150, 464, 866, 1067, 1205, 1222, 1223, 1226, 1227, 1228, 1230, 1233, 1234, 1235, 1307, 1379, and 1890. Mover: Dan Harkins Seconder: Guido Hiertz Yes: 18 No: 0 Abstain: 4 (passes > ¾) Recess Until 10:30 Tuesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Motion: Whereas the resolutions of CIDs 68, 692, 1100, and 1817 are incomplete and they were thus improperly closed; Moved, to rescind both the adoption of the resolutions of CIDs 68, 692, 1100, and 1817 and their closure. Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Jesse Walker Yes: 11 No: 0 Abstain: 4 (passes > ¾) [Motion above had listed 68, 87, 692 and 1100. Was amended to the list above by unanimous consent.] “Power save for wireless mesh”, 11-08/846r0, Mathilde Benveniste (En.aerion) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room Straw Poll: Would you like to hear more on the proposal in 11-08/846r0? Yes: 7 No: 3 Don’t Know: 8 Straw Poll: Comment resolution subgroup interest? Security: 5 MAC: 2 RFI: 6 General: 1 Recounted: Security: 5 MAC: 4 RFI: 7 General: 1 Divide into subgroups for comment resolution as follows: RFI: Guenael Strutt Security: Tony Braskich MAC: Guido Hiertz Reconvene and Recess until 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR “MDA Issues”, 11-08/0635r2, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems) Straw Poll: Do you think the problems in 11-08/635 should be solved based on the methods or updated versions of the methods in 11-08/635? Yes: 1 No: 1 Do not know: 10 “Mesh QoS: Multiple Simultaneous Routes”, 11-08/849r1, Sandesh Goel (Marvell) Straw Poll: Would you support enhanced QoS in a mesh by allowing multiple simultaneous routes between two mesh nodes? Yes: 1 No: 9 Do not know: 12 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room Attendance Recording Reminder Note: We will need a temporary Secretary for PM1 Thursday. Divide into subgroups for comment resolution as follows: RFI: Guenael Strutt Security: Tony Braskich MAC: Guido Hiertz The Chair suggested that subgroups upload their work so far to the server so that it would meet the 4-hour rule by our next session. Reconvene and Recess until 13:30 Wednesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Security Presentations: “Key Holder Protocol Revisions”, 11-08/0783r1, Tony Braskich (Motorola). Moved, To adopt 11-08/783r1 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the Draft resolving comments 214, 215, 453, 480, 484, 827, 1468, and 1740. Moved: Tony Braskich Seconded: Jan Kruys Yes: 19 No: 0 Abstain: 0 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room More Security Presentations: “Authentication and Key Management of MP with multiple radios”, 11-08/0317r6 (word: 11-08/0526r6), Amy Zhang (Huawei). “Different MKD domain MPs communication method”, 11-08/0791r0, Amy Zhang (Huawei). Straw Poll: Would you like to see further development of this idea to allow different MKD domain MPs to communicate directly. Yes: 14 No: 7 Don’t Know: 13 “Changes to SAE State Machine”, 11-08-0836r2 (Word: 11-08-0799r2), Dan Harkins (Aruba) Moved, To adopt changes in 11-08/799r2 and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the Draft resolving comments 142, 144, 145, 147, 148, 149, 456, 457, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 465, 467, 1010, 1012, and 1895. Mover: Dan Harkins Seconder: Malik Audeh Yes: 17 No: 0 Abstain: 6 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room “Symmetrical Link Metric and Path Loop Avoiding, 11-08/0636, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems) Straw Poll: Do you think all or part of Path Loop problem, Symmetric Link Metric problem, Power Saving Link Metric problem should be solved based on the methods or an updated version of methods proposed in 11-08/636? Yes: 9 No: 0 Do not know: 18 “Link Metric for High Throughput”, 11-08/0638r1, Guenael Strutt (Motorola) Straw Poll: Should the air time metric be expanded to account for aggregation? Yes: 0 No: 4 Don’t Know: 19 Recess until 16:00 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Moved, To adopt the comment resolutions in 11-08/493r15 with Topic Category (column H) “RFI”, Resolution Status (column P) “Open”, and Resolution Code (column V) “Accept” or “Counter” or “Reject” except for CID 1354. Mover: Guenael Strutt Seconder: Guido Hiertz Yes: 13 No: 1 Abstain: 6 (passes > ¾) Moved, To adopt the changes in 11-08/757r3 and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the draft updating the comment resolution spread sheet as shown in 11-08/822r0 for comments with Issue Identifier (column N) of “M-PM”. Mover: Jarkko Knecht Seconder: Guido Hiertz Yes: 9 No: 0 Abstain: 12 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room Moved, To adopt the normative text in 11-08/526r6 resolving CID 504 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the Draft. Mover: Amy Zhang Seconder: Liwen Chu Yes: 10 No: 0 Abstain: 11 (passes > ¾) “MDA Enhancements for Power Save”, 11-08/873r0, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia) Straw Poll: What subgroup would you like to work in? MAC: 1 RFI: 8 Security: 5 General: 1 Divide into subgroups as follows: RFI – Guenael Strutt Security – Tony Braskich Recombine The Chair announced the upload of 802.11s D2.0a, D2.01 redline, and 11-08/493r16. Recess until 08:00 Thursday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Thursday, 17 July 2008 08:00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Thursday, 17 July 2008 08:00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance recording reminder “IEEE 802.11s terms and definitions”, 11-08/895r0, Guido Hiertz (Phillips) Moved, To rescend the closure of CID 1615 which was voted yesterday as it was showed a Resolution Code of “Accept” when it should be been “Defer”. Mover: Tony Maida Seconder: Yes: No: Abstain: Moved, To adopt 11-08/873r0 and direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in the Draft. Mover: Jarkko Knecht Seconder: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Thursday, 17 July 2008 08:00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Thursday, 17 July 2008 08:00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Recess until 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Pending Presentations July 2008 Pending Presentations Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Thursday, 17 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 Thursday, 17 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance recording reminder Selection of temporary Secretary. Moved, to direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session. Mover: Seconder: Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences “TGs Process, May”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-08/831r2 Other Technical Presentations Adjourn sine die TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

[Reference Information] July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 [Reference Information] Updated PAR at http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/projects/802-11s.pdf. Original PAR for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. Comment Resolution Spreadsheets: 11-08/493r14: Resolution of Letter Ballot #126 Comments (D2.0) 11-07/23r55: Resolution of comments received during IEEE 802.11 Letter Ballot #93 (D1.0) TGs Technical Editors: Anthony Maida (3eTI), Drafts 2.01 + Avinash Joshi (Motorola), Drafts 1.09 through D2.0 W. Steven Conner (Intel). Drafts 0.01 through D1.08 (also chair of the first Mesh Study Group Session) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

[Earlier Meeting Minutes] July 2008 doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 July 2008 [Earlier Meeting Minutes] Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida, 11-08/580r2 May 2008, ad hoc meeting, Santa Clara, California, 11-08/539r0 March 2008, Orlando, Florida, 11-08/424r0 January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan, 11-08/170r2 November 2007, Atlanta, Georgia, 11-07/2826r1 September 2007, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2495r0 September 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2413r0 July 2007, San Francisco, California, 11-07/2277r0 June 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/2009r0 May 2007, Montreal, Quebec, 11-07/746r0 April 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 11-07/559r1 March 2007, Orlando, Florida, 11-07/413r0 Recent Teleconference Minutes 16 April 2008, 11-08/463r1 30 April 2008, 11-08/494r0 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola