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ARC-agenda-minutes-july-2012 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 July 2012 ARC-agenda-minutes-july-2012 Date: 2012-07-19 Authors: Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc. David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.

Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 July 2012 Abstract Agenda, working document and minutes for ARC SC, July 2012, San Diego, US Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc. David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.

IEEE 802.11 Architecture Standing Committee July 2012 IEEE 802.11 Architecture Standing Committee Agenda, working document & minutes July 2012 session. Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

Attendance, etc. Reminders to attendees: July 2012 Attendance, etc. Reminders to attendees: Sign in for .11 attendance credit Noises off No recordings Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform July 2012 All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc

April 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.19-09/xxxxr0 Patent Related Links July 2012 All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6 IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual http://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3 Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc Rich Kennedy, Research In Motion

Call for Potentially Essential Patents April 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.19-09/xxxxr0 Call for Potentially Essential Patents July 2012 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc Rich Kennedy, Research In Motion

Other Documents and WebPages to Review April 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.19-09/xxxxr0 July 2012 Other Documents and WebPages to Review Please review the documents at the following links: -  IEEE Patent Policy - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt -  Patent FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf -  LoA Form - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf -  Affiliation FAQ -http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html -  Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf -  Ethics - http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf -  IEEE 802.11 Working Group OM - https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-0002-04-0000-802-11-operations-manual.doc New 802 WG P&P: https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/09/ec-09-0007-02-00EC-draft-lmsc-wg-p-p.pdf New 802 LMSC P&P:https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/09/ec-09-0005-02-00EC-draft-revised-lmsc-p-p-for-wg-p-p-ballot.pdf New 802 LMSC OM: https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/09/ec-09-0006-02-00EC-draft-revision-of-the-lmsc-om-for-wg-p-p.pdf Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc Rich Kennedy, Research In Motion

Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings July 2012 All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc

ARC Agenda – July 2012 Wednesday, AM1 Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 July 2012 ARC Agenda – July 2012 Wednesday, AM1 Administration Policies Attendance Approve Agenda Approve Teleconference minutes (12/759r0) 802 Overview & Architecture ballot Preparation for 802.1 Joint session on Thursday 802.11 “General links” discussion 802.1AC (MAC Service definition) update, discussion Future sessions / SC activities Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc. David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.

ARC Agenda – July 2012 Thursday, AM1 – Joint session with 802.1/802.11 Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 July 2012 ARC Agenda – July 2012 Thursday, AM1 – Joint session with 802.1/802.11 “802.11’s MAC service, general links, and making 802.11 cooperative with bridging” Process for future sessions/interactions between 802.1 and 802.11 Currently through 802.11 TGaa, propose ARC/WNG Liaisons (between 802.1, 802.11, IETF) 802.11 and bridging TRILL liaison discussion Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc. David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.

802 Organization & Architecture revision July 2012 802 Organization & Architecture revision Draft 1.4 is in the 802.11 members area Status: Latest letter ballot completed, July 6. Comment resolution in process this week. 802.11 comments are in 12/756r1. Responses can be found here: https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/12/ec-12-0041-01-00EC-overview-and-architecture-lb3-comments.ods < not completely up-to-date> All technical issues resolved on Monday, except one One 802.11 technical was rejected – will come back at appropriate time. Other two were accepted. Like to review in detail? [ Chair update: actually all 802.11 technical comments were agreed. See r2 of the response document. ] Intending to request Conditional Approval for SB out of this meeting Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

July 2012 Prepare for 802.1/802.11 Joint General theme: “802.11’s MAC service, general links, and making 802.11 cooperative with bridging” Liaison with 802.1 is currently through 802.11 TGaa Process for future sessions/interactions between 802.11 and 802.1 Proposal: Use ARC or WNG - Handle case-by-case. Any remaining business related to 802.1AVB? 802.11 and bridging (Norm Finn presentation) Other discussion topics: Liaisons between 802, 802.11, and IETF (IESG meeting next week) TRILL liaison discussion Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

802.11 “General Links” Donald Eastlake presentation July 2012 Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

802.1AC – MAC Service Definition July 2012 802.1AC – MAC Service Definition Undergoing revision (in Sponsor Ballot process) There are differences between general 802 MAC definition and 802.11 definition In particular, “drop_eligible” (cf TGaa) Comment to REVmc to look at this for alignment Any discussion or comments from this group? Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

ARC Future Activities & sessions July 2012 ARC Future Activities & sessions SC Chair & WG Chair agree the ARC SC meets when a specific focused task is requested of the SC for which the is sufficient volunteer interest. Ongoing, have been and will continue to follow 802 O&A balloting activities. Will also follow 802 activities on links, bridging, MAC Service definition and TRILL liaison If you have ANY other topic that you would like ARC SC assistance with, contact the SC chair. Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

Planning for Sept 2012 Plan for one meeting slot July 2012 Planning for Sept 2012 Plan for one meeting slot ARC SC will schedule teleconferences with 10 days notice To discuss any specific requests that arise No teleconference anticipated at this time Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

July session minutes July 2012 Wednesday July 18, 2012 Patent policy reviewed. Call for essential patent knowledge, no indications. Minutes of teleconference approved as posted (12/759r0) Noted that 802.1 will hold a discussion of IEEE P1905.1 on Thursday AM2 Reviewed status of 802 O&A ballot, per slide #12 above. Noted that we have several contacts in the Sponsor Pool: Mark, Jon, Bruce, Adrian, Hunter Discussed joint meeting with 802.1 tomorrow: Yes, some 802.1AVB remaining issues, to fix discussion in 802.1Q about .11aa and .1AVB usage. Alex has put a comment into the 802.1Q corrigenda ballot on this. What is the status of the 802.1Q corrigenda? Can we fix all the outdated .11 references? Alex and Bruce are in the ballot pool. Ongoing, we should be more diligent about ballot pool invitations for 802/802.1 ballots (and 802.1 could help point these out). Why is 802.1AC being created? What is its balloting status? We had text updates to suggest for the 802.11 text (related to the 802.1Q text, also). Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

July session minutes (cont.) Wednesday July 18, 2012 (continued) 802.11 General Links (Donald Eastlake presentation): Reviewed presentation Nobody expressed any concern with the technical concepts presented, nor the suggestion to form a Study Group Both proposals (Donald’s and Norm Finn’s) could be considered by the Study Group. We welcome and expect 802.1 involvement in any Study Group on this Reworded the proposed motion about forming a Study Group. Something like ‘a Study Group on general 802.11 links that support bridging’. This was explicitly not saying 802.11 or 802.11 entities directly do bridging (are bridges), but it could be that. It could also be that 802.11 is enhanced to enable bridges attached to a non-AP STA, for example. So, this includes both Donald’s and Norm’s ideas. Also added PBSS, to support 802.11ad. Straw Poll: Do you support a motion to: Request approval by IEEE 802 LMSC to form a Study Group on enabling the use of 802.11 infrastructure, PBSS, and IBSS associations as general transit links capable of supporting bridging, with the intent of creating a PAR and five criteria? Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 0 802.1AC – agreed to defer this alignment to REVmc Adrian noted that our MAC really has quite a bit of state shared by both ends of a link (TS, BA, etc.), so we are verging on being connection-oriented. Anyone interested in this topic should make a presentation. Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

July session minutes (cont.) Thursday July 19, 2012 (Joint session with 802.1) Proposal for future collaboration between 802.1/802.11 to come into 802.11 through ARC or WNG is accepted. Discussion on 802.11 and bridging: Norm Finn presented http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2012/new-nfinn-wired-wireless-bridges-0612-v02.pdf Norm presented the concepts and models; and presented Issue 3 in particular. Noted that Donald Eastlake’s proposal has a different solution to Issue 3, but they agree that the issue is critical to solve Norm also proposes a Study Group on this topic, somehow done to be coordinated with 802.1 and 802.11 involvement. Bruce Kraemer/Jon Rosdahl noted that this is in addition to other collaboration/coordination items between 802.1 and 802.11 Collectively reworded the motion requesting the Study Group, to clarify the types of 802.11 links (to consider, but not require, infrastructure BSS, PBSS, and IBSS). Both groups will consider this motion text (11-12/947r1) in their respective closing plenaries. Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.

July session minutes (cont.) Thursday July 19, 2012 (continued) TRILL liaison Mark Hamilton requested feedback from 802.1 on 802.11 proceeding with a liaison to IETF on this subject 802.1 feedback can be summarized as “Need to start with a use case presentation, and if the use case is agreed, then proceeding with a liaison to TRILL can be considered. Individuals in 802.11 with interest in this, should proceed in that order.” Other coordination 802.1Q corrigendum is nearly done 802.1AC is ready to go to RevCom (basically done) 802.1Q revision will start soon (driven by the number of amendments that have queued up) 802.1 has a maintenance process, starts with entering issues on a form on the web site. Suggests that 802.11’s specific “bugs found” issues be submitted this way. Tony Jeffree is member of all 802.1 Sponsor Ballot pools, and offers to be a conduit to submit any comments from non-pool members Mark Hamilton, Polycom, Inc.