ARC-SC-agenda-Mar-2019 Date: 2019-03-12 Authors: July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 ARC-SC-agenda-Mar-2019 Date: 2019-03-12 Authors: David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Agenda for: ARC SC, March 2019, Vancouver, BC, Canada Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 Abstract Agenda for: ARC SC, March 2019, Vancouver, BC, Canada David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
IEEE 802.11 Architecture Standing Committee July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 IEEE 802.11 Architecture Standing Committee Agenda March 2019 session Chair: Mark Hamilton (Ruckus/ARRIS) Vice Chair: Joe Levy (InterDigital) David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Tuesday, March 12th, PM2
Attendance, etc. Reminders to attendees: July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 Attendance, etc. Reminders to attendees: Sign in for .11 attendance credit Noises off No recordings David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants [Note: Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2]: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6 IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/opman/sect6.html#6.3 Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.ppt David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Call for Potentially Essential Patents July 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0840r0 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
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ARC Agenda – March 2019 (1 of 2) Tuesday, March 12, PM2 Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 ARC Agenda – March 2019 (1 of 2) Tuesday, March 12, PM2 Administrative: Minutes IEEE 1588 mapping to IEEE 802.11/802.1ASrev and use of FTM MAC randomization – follow-ups for 802.11 Consider formation of a TIG: 11-19/0483r0 IETF/802 coordination IETF SAVI draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bi-savi-wlan New topic (from REVmd)?: “What is a STA?” (See: 11-19/0106r0) Wednesday, March 13, AM1 “What is an ESS?”: 11-18/1051r5 MLME-RESET, versus MLME-JOIN and MLME-START (and MLME-SCAN?) David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
ARC Agenda – March 2019 (2 of 2) Wednesday, March 13, PM2 Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 ARC Agenda – March 2019 (2 of 2) Wednesday, March 13, PM2 Future sessions / SC activities IEEE 802 activities relevant to 802.11: 802.11aq, 802.1CQ and LAAP: 11-18/1934r0 Consider IETF DetNet/time-sensitive networking input (potential relationship to RTA TIG?) Multiple MAC Addresses (and IPv6), “Multiple radios” System architecture views for common use scenarios AP/DS/Portal architecture and 802 and GLK concepts - 11-17/0136r2, 11-16/1512r0, 11-16/0720r0, 11-15/0454r0, 11-14/1213r1 (slides 9-11) Continue the other items (previous slide), as needed David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Prior ARC Minutes January face-to-face minutes: 11-19/0165r0 Jan 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1455r0 Prior ARC Minutes January face-to-face minutes: 11-19/0165r0 David Bagby, Calypso Ventures, Inc.
IEEE 1588 mapping to IEEE 802.11/ 802.1ASrev use of FTM update Update (Ganesh Venkatesan) IEEE 1588/802.1AS Results from first Sponsor Ballot of IEEE 1588 revision, Sep 17 – Oct 28: 95-17-3 (84%), 359 comments received. In comment resolution process. 802.1ASrev use of 802.11 FTM: Results of first Sponsor Ballot of 802.1ASrev D8.0, Jan 24 – Feb 23?
IEEE 802 activities directly related to IEEE 802.11 ARC 802.11aq, 802.1CQ and LAAP: 11-18/1934r0 Clear(er) problem statement from 802.1? Proxy IPv6 Neighbor Discovery: 11-18/1920r2 Updates?
MAC Address randomization Background: Incoming liaison from WBA is here: 11-18/1579r1 802.11 response: 11-18/1988r2 Consider formation of a TIG: 11-19/0439r0 Note Submissions on this topic (in REVmd): MAC randomization - IDQuery: 11-19/0179r0 Address policy ANQP: 11-19/0286r3
IETF/802 coordination Peter Yee present topics of interest:
Source Address Verification Improvements IETF SAVI draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bi-savi-wlan
What is a STA? See: 11-19/0106r0 Related: What is the (“STA(s)”) architecture of off-channel TDLS?
Wednesday, March 13th, AM1
What is an ESS? See 11-18/1051r5 Related, new topic from REVmd, “What is a STA?” See: 11-19/0106r0 Related: What is the (“STA(s)”) architecture of off-channel TDLS?
MLME-RESET, versus MLME-JOIN and MLME-START Topic out of REVmd: No apparent requirement for an “initial” MLME-RESET, in 802.11. So, what is the initial state? Many MIB attributes describe taking effect at next MLME-JOIN or MLME-START. MLME-JOIN occurs at each BSS transition MLME-START occurs at less well-defined points, seems to require an MLME-RESET first Do these attributes really take effect at these points, or at the MLME-RESET? How about other state information, such as security association, block ack agreements, etc., etc.? Maybe need to consider MLME-SCAN, too? Is correct information provided at these primitives (and not more than needed information)?
Wednesday, March 13th, PM2
ARC Future Activities & sessions ARC SC meets when a specific focused task is requested of the SC for which the is sufficient volunteer interest. Continue work on architectural models, and liaison with TGs in development of their architecture as appropriate Investigation of “split” PHYs (LC, 28 GHz (Phazr)) Investigation of 802.11 as part of a Deterministic Network Multiple MAC Address discussion (IPv6) – perhaps “multiple radios” too System architecture(s) for common use scenarios Will also follow 802.1/802.11 activities on links, bridging, and MAC Service definition – “What is an ESS?”, for example “What is a STA?” (11-19/0106) Related: What is the (“STA(s)”) architecture of off-channel TDLS? MLME-RESET, versus MLME-JOIN and MLME-START (and MLME-SCAN?) Monitor/report on IETF/802 activities, as needed Monitor/report on IEEE 1588 activities and 802.1ASrev use of FTM, as needed If you have ANY other topic that you would like ARC SC to consider, contact the SC chair.
Planning for May 2019 Plan for three individual meeting slots Usual slot on Wed AM1 Another 2 slots for standalone ARC work Teleconferences: None planned.
DetNet and other time-sensitive networking, (IETF, RTA TIG, etc.) IETF TSN use case document declares 802.11 inappropriate for deterministic networking. But, 802.15.4 TSCH appears to be appropriate. Can 802.11 be used? If not, can/should 802.11 be “improved” so that it can be used? PAW BOF formed, scheduled for ~ March 25 Does 11ax scheduling/trigger-based fit into this? What are the requirements coming from the RTA TIG, and do those change the above?
AP/DS/Portal architecture and 802 concepts Presentations on architectural description(s) https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-0136-02-0arc-bridging-architecture-considerations.docx Reference presentations (previously reviewed, current status of thinking): https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-1213-01-0arc-ap-arch-concepts-and-distribution-system-access.pptx https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/13/11-13-0115-15-0arc-considerations-on-ap-architectural-models.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-0497-03-0arc-802-11-portal-and-802-1ac-convergence-function.pptx https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-0562-05-00ak-802-11ak-and-802-1ac-convergence-function.pptx https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/15/11-15-0454-00-0arc-some-more-ds-architecture-concepts.pptx https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/16/11-16-0720-00-0arc-stacked-architecture-discussion.pptx