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The Problem of Evil and Pain 4. The Explanation of St. Irenaeus: A World of Soul- Making

Opening Prayer Almighty God, whose most dear Son went not up to joy but first he suffered pain, and entered not in to glory before he was crucified: mercifully grant that we, walking in the way of the cross, may find it none other than the way of life and peace; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever From: Common Prayer. Services and Prayers for the Church of England, p. 466

Saint Irenaeus

Born to Greek Parents in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) early in first half of the second century Born to Greek Parents in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) early in first half of the second century As a child, he heard the preaching of Polycarp, the last known living connection with the Apostles (The apostle John) As a child, he heard the preaching of Polycarp, the last known living connection with the Apostles (The apostle John) Worked as a missionary to southern Gaul and as peacemaker among the churches in Asia Minor Worked as a missionary to southern Gaul and as peacemaker among the churches in Asia Minor In the second century, there was a close cultural connection between southern Gaul (the Rhone Valley) and Asia Minor In the second century, there was a close cultural connection between southern Gaul (the Rhone Valley) and Asia Minor

Saint Irenaeus In 177 AD, Bishop Pothinus of Lyon (Lugdunum) was martyred. Irenaeus succeeded him as Bishop In 177 AD, Bishop Pothinus of Lyon (Lugdunum) was martyred. Irenaeus succeeded him as Bishop His principal work was the 5 volume work Against Heresies His principal work was the 5 volume work Against Heresies Defended the validity of the Jewish Bible, God as creator, and the goodness of creation against the heresy of Gnosticism Defended the validity of the Jewish Bible, God as creator, and the goodness of creation against the heresy of Gnosticism Fiercely defended the traditions handed down by the apostles. Fiercely defended the traditions handed down by the apostles. Wrote Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching, used for the instruction of candidates for Baptism Wrote Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching, used for the instruction of candidates for Baptism

Saint Irenaeus Today known as the Father of Catholic Theology and considered the most important theologian of the second century Today known as the Father of Catholic Theology and considered the most important theologian of the second century Died about 200 AD Died about 200 AD Feast Day on the Episcopal Calendar: June 28 Feast Day on the Episcopal Calendar: June 28

St. Irenaeus’ Explanation For Evil

A Vale of Soul-Making

A Vale of Soul-Making Introduction Irenaeus proposed that God made the world to provide an environment for “soul-making” or “person-making,” and the presence of evil and suffering was necessary for that task Irenaeus proposed that God made the world to provide an environment for “soul-making” or “person-making,” and the presence of evil and suffering was necessary for that task In modern times, the philosopher John Hick has strongly advocated this explanation, developing it further in a now classic book Evil and the God of Love In modern times, the philosopher John Hick has strongly advocated this explanation, developing it further in a now classic book Evil and the God of Love

A Vale of Soul-Making Premise God created human beings as free, but immature and imperfect creatures, with an immense but undeveloped capacity for moral and spiritual development God created human beings as free, but immature and imperfect creatures, with an immense but undeveloped capacity for moral and spiritual development God intends life on this earth to provide an environment for the moral and spiritual growth of human beings from immature beings to true “children of God” God intends life on this earth to provide an environment for the moral and spiritual growth of human beings from immature beings to true “children of God”

A Vale of Soul-Making Premise In the language of St. Irenaeus: In the language of St. Irenaeus: God made human beings in the “image” of God – with an enormous capacity for spiritual and moral growth God made human beings in the “image” of God – with an enormous capacity for spiritual and moral growth God intends life on this earth to help us freely grow and mature into the “likeness” of God God intends life on this earth to help us freely grow and mature into the “likeness” of God

A Vale of Soul-Making Irenaeus versus Augustine Contrasts markedly with St. Augustine’s later doctrine. Augustine said: Contrasts markedly with St. Augustine’s later doctrine. Augustine said: Human begins were created in a state of pristine perfection in a world that was paradise Human begins were created in a state of pristine perfection in a world that was paradise We lost it all and fell into our present states of imperfection because of the misuse of our freedom (Original Sin) We lost it all and fell into our present states of imperfection because of the misuse of our freedom (Original Sin) Irenaeus said: Irenaeus said: Human beings were created innocent, but imperfect and immature, in a world designed for soul-making Human beings were created innocent, but imperfect and immature, in a world designed for soul-making We are now involved in the creative, arduous task of freely maturing and growing towards a perfection that lies in our future We are now involved in the creative, arduous task of freely maturing and growing towards a perfection that lies in our future

A Vale of Soul-Making Why would God create us as beings who are immature and undeveloped in moral and spiritual goodness?

A Vale of Soul-Making Why Must We Grow Into Goodness? 1. It may not be possible to create outright a free, intelligent, morally mature being. Moral maturity may require struggling and grappling with temptation over time, and even participation in evil 1. It may not be possible to create outright a free, intelligent, morally mature being. Moral maturity may require struggling and grappling with temptation over time, and even participation in evil 2. Even if it was possible, God may consider beings who have grown into moral goodness a much greater good than beings “ready-made” with moral goodness 2. Even if it was possible, God may consider beings who have grown into moral goodness a much greater good than beings “ready-made” with moral goodness

A Vale of Soul-Making Why Must We Grow Into Goodness? “…a human goodness that has come about through the making of free and responsible moral choices, in situations of real difficulty and temptation, is intrinsically more valuable – perhaps even limitlessly more valuable – than a goodness that has been created readymade, without the free participation of the human agent.” - John Hick, Philosophy of Religion, p.44

I suggest… that it is an ethically reasonable judgement, … that human goodness slowly built up through personal histories of moral effort has a value in the eyes of the Creator which justifies even the long travail of the soul-making process. - John Hick, Evil and the God of Love, p. 256

A Vale of Soul-Making Why is evil and suffering a part of a world of Soul-Making?

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making As immature beings, we are caught in a tension between: As immature beings, we are caught in a tension between: the natural selfishness that arises from our instinct for survival the natural selfishness that arises from our instinct for survival the call of morality and religion to transcend our self-centeredness the call of morality and religion to transcend our self-centeredness

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making An environment conducive for our moral and spiritual growth as free, immature creatures requires: An environment conducive for our moral and spiritual growth as free, immature creatures requires: Real challenges, opportunities for display of moral virtue, possibilities for expressing faith in God Real challenges, opportunities for display of moral virtue, possibilities for expressing faith in God Interactions with a community of others and the opportunity to develop relationships with others in which we can transcend ourselves Interactions with a community of others and the opportunity to develop relationships with others in which we can transcend ourselves A physical order of impersonal objects that operate according to predicable rules, independent of our wills: quantum fields, atoms, the cells of our body, the motion of the planets and stars A physical order of impersonal objects that operate according to predicable rules, independent of our wills: quantum fields, atoms, the cells of our body, the motion of the planets and stars

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making Such conditions allow both: Such conditions allow both: The possibility of situations and moments that further our moral and spiritual growth The possibility of situations and moments that further our moral and spiritual growth The possibility of failure, ruin, pain and suffering: that is, the possibility of evil The possibility of failure, ruin, pain and suffering: that is, the possibility of evil

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making Consider the “counterfactual hypothesis:” a world that is a paradise without any possibility of pain and suffering Consider the “counterfactual hypothesis:” a world that is a paradise without any possibility of pain and suffering

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making..no one could ever injure anyone else: the murderer’s knife would turn to paper or the bullets to thin air; the bank safe, robbed of a million dollars, would miraculously become filled with another million dollars; fraud, deceit, conspiracy, and treason would somehow leave the fabric of society undamaged.

No one would ever be injured by accident: the mountain climber, steeplejack, or playing child falling from a height would float unharmed to the ground; the reckless driver would never meet with disaster. There would be no need to work, since no harm could result from avoiding work; there would be no call to be concerned for others in time of need or danger…

To make possible this continual series of individual adjustments, nature would have to work by “special providences,” instead of running according to general laws that we must learn to respect on penalty of pain or death… sometimes gravity would operate, sometimes not; sometimes an object would be hard; sometimes soft. There could be no sciences, for there would be no enduring world structure to investigate.

..life would become like a dream in which, delightfully but aimlessly, we would float and drift at ease. - John Hick, Philosophy of Religion, p. 46

In such a hedonistic paradise there could be no true morality, for there could be no wrong actions In such a hedonistic paradise there could be no true morality, for there could be no wrong actions Courage and fortitude; honesty, generosity, kindness, agape love, unselfishness could never arise Courage and fortitude; honesty, generosity, kindness, agape love, unselfishness could never arise

A Vale of Soul-Making Evil and Suffering in Soul-Making The psychic state of “suffering” (as opposed to physical pain) Suffering: “that state of mind in which we wish violently or obsessively that our situation were otherwise” Includes: regret, remorse, anxiety, despair, guilt, shame Often part of physical pain. The anguish of a terminal illness, for example, includes: Physical pain: the illness of the body Psychic suffering: the anticipation of loss

The value of suffering: The value of suffering: Our own suffering moves us to search for a deeper meaning in our existence, and hence towards God Our own suffering moves us to search for a deeper meaning in our existence, and hence towards God The sufferings of others calls us out of ourselves and prepares us for mutual service to others The sufferings of others calls us out of ourselves and prepares us for mutual service to others

A Vale of Soul-Making The Need for a Hidden God

A Vale of Soul-Making A Hidden God According to Christianity, the divine purpose for men is not only that they shall freely act rightly towards one another but that they shall also freely enter into a filial personal relationship with God Himself. - John Hick, Evil and the God of Love, p. 272

An important part of a world designed for “soul-making” is that there be a certain “distance” between God and human beings, a distance in the dimension of knowledge = an “epistemic distance” An important part of a world designed for “soul-making” is that there be a certain “distance” between God and human beings, a distance in the dimension of knowledge = an “epistemic distance” If knowledge of God and God’s presence was too forcefully impressed on the human consciousness, there could be no genuine freedom to chose God If knowledge of God and God’s presence was too forcefully impressed on the human consciousness, there could be no genuine freedom to chose God

A Vale of Soul-Making A Hidden God Therefore God must partially conceal God’s self, to the point of making the world appear nearly atheistic, with the dual effect: Therefore God must partially conceal God’s self, to the point of making the world appear nearly atheistic, with the dual effect: 1. Makes possible a sincere, uncompelled acceptance of God’s invitation to a life of faith 1. Makes possible a sincere, uncompelled acceptance of God’s invitation to a life of faith 2. Allows some human beings to chose to live apart from God, in self-centered competition with their fellow human-beings 2. Allows some human beings to chose to live apart from God, in self-centered competition with their fellow human-beings

A Vale of Soul-Making Could Not the Task of Soul-Making Be Accomplished by a World with Less Evil and Suffering?

A Vale of Soul-Making Horrendous Evil and Soul-Making Need the world contain the more extreme and crushing evils which it in fact contains? Are not life’s challenges often so severe to be self-defeating when considered as soul- making influences? Man must (let us suppose) cultivate the soil so as to win his bread by the sweat of his brow; but need there be the gigantic famines, for example in China, from which millions have so miserably perished? - John Hick, Evil and the Love of God, p

Ultimately, the excessive and random character of some evil must remain mysterious to us Ultimately, the excessive and random character of some evil must remain mysterious to us Yet even such horrendous evil can play a role in soul- making: Yet even such horrendous evil can play a role in soul- making: Human misery calls forth in us deeply personal sympathy and a passionate desire to help Human misery calls forth in us deeply personal sympathy and a passionate desire to help Unless the suffering is truly undeserved and truly bad for the sufferer, we would not have such a powerful reaction Unless the suffering is truly undeserved and truly bad for the sufferer, we would not have such a powerful reaction If suffering and good-fortune were exactly proportional to what each person deserved, the sufferings of others would lose its power to draw us out of ourselves If suffering and good-fortune were exactly proportional to what each person deserved, the sufferings of others would lose its power to draw us out of ourselves

A Vale of Soul-Making Implications for Life After Death

A Vale of Soul-Making Life After Death The premise that God’s purpose in creation is to allow free but immature beings to grow towards a moral and spiritual perfection has necessary implications for life after death The premise that God’s purpose in creation is to allow free but immature beings to grow towards a moral and spiritual perfection has necessary implications for life after death The precarious conditions of this world may indeed provide ground for some to mature, but for others it may lead to: The precarious conditions of this world may indeed provide ground for some to mature, but for others it may lead to: Resentment, fear or disintegration of character Resentment, fear or disintegration of character A life snuffed out before they have any fair chance to grow morally or spiritually A life snuffed out before they have any fair chance to grow morally or spiritually

A Vale of Soul-Making Life After Death Therefore “any divine purpose of soul making that is at work in earthly history must continue beyond this life if it is ever to achieve more than a partial and fragmentary success” Our growth and maturation towards the “full humanity” intended by God, towards becoming true “children of God,” towards becoming the “likeness of God,” will continue after death through continued opportunities to exercise love and trust

In addition, there must be an ultimate greater good to justify the toil and sorrow and travail of the soul-making process: a fullness of life and joy beyond our present imaginations In addition, there must be an ultimate greater good to justify the toil and sorrow and travail of the soul-making process: a fullness of life and joy beyond our present imaginations Hick suggests God’s persistence and patience to persuade and guide us towards moral and spiritual perfection knows no bounds, and will ultimately lead to the free acceptance by all of God’s love: to universal salvation Hick suggests God’s persistence and patience to persuade and guide us towards moral and spiritual perfection knows no bounds, and will ultimately lead to the free acceptance by all of God’s love: to universal salvation

A Vale of Soul-Making Life After Death In the end: “The Kingdom of God will be an infinite because eternal, good, outweighing all temporal and therefore finite evils” - John Hick, Evil and the God of Love, p. 344

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