1 QUARTIC Update Andrew Brandt (UT-Arlington), Mike Albrow (FNAL), Jim Pinfold (Alberta) Preliminary UTA drawing of Mike Albrow’s concept for a fast time.

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1 QUARTIC Update Andrew Brandt (UT-Arlington), Mike Albrow (FNAL), Jim Pinfold (Alberta) Preliminary UTA drawing of Mike Albrow’s concept for a fast time resolution Cerenkov counter: Microchannel plate PMT Baseline design has 6mm 2 rods z=c(TR-TL)/2  z (mm) =0.21  t (psec) (2.1 mm for  t=10 psec) proton

2 New Drawing Sawtooth easier to fabricate 6 rods in z New drawing to evaluate dimensions (min z in baseline design is 130 mm).

3 UTA News Formed group with 2 undergrads and grad student Formed group with 2 undergrads and grad student Contacted quartz vendors Contacted quartz vendors Calculated background rejection as f(resolution) Calculated background rejection as f(resolution) Calculated light output Calculated light output Calculated time distribution Calculated time distribution Poster session at UTA leads to EE contacts Poster session at UTA leads to EE contacts Pico-sec workshop in November (short but valuable) Pico-sec workshop in November (short but valuable) Established contacts with Burle Established contacts with Burle Submitted internal pre-proposal for Texas ARP;Submitted internal pre-proposal for Texas ARP; 11/30/05 approved for ARP submission (12/79!) 11/30/05 approved for ARP submission (12/79!) 2/14/05 full proposal; 4/20/05 decision; 5/15/05 funds (?) 2/14/05 full proposal; 4/20/05 decision; 5/15/05 funds (?) $100k/2 years $100k/2 years mechanics+pulser+students mechanics+pulser+students Submitted DOE ADR 12/15/05Submitted DOE ADR 12/15/05 $100k/2 years May/June notification Q only, elec+students $100k/2 years May/June notification Q only, elec+students

4 Burle Collaboration To further characterize and improve the timing properties of these devices we will provide you with the following: 2 PLANACONs having 25 micron pore MCPs and a standard faceplate, 2 PLANACONs having 10 micron pore MCPs and a standard faceplate, and 2 PLANACONs having 10 micron pore MCPs and a stepped faceplate which reduces the photocathode-to-MCP gap. This will allow you to characterize the effect of MCP pore size and cathode-to- MCP gap on the timing performance of the PLANACON. Further, we will try to equip at least one of these devices with MCPs having increased current capacity.

5 10 Psec Workshop April 28 at UTA Very useful trip to SLAC Mar. 2 to meet with Jerry Va’vra (Babar), discuss Burle MCP-PMTs, fast-timing issues, leads to April 28 UTA 10 psec workshop with Va’vra, QUARTIC principles, +Louvain engineer,+Hink (Burle), +Frisch+engineer (Chicago) Goal: Discuss electronics issues to achieve psec resolution, status of tube development (timescale for 32 x mm pixel tube + associated readout card), foster collaboration

Single (500 nm)  over including QE 1.9% of pe’s in 10 psec 19.1% in 50 psec Preliminary Time Distributions (UTA): 50 psec red = totally internally reflected light green = extra light if aluminized UV light is psec later than visible {n( )}

7 So perhaps fused silica/quartz not optimal: lead glass or other? UV Geant Simulation (Alberta) (Yushu Yao) Longer wavelengths arrive first, UV light does not help timing much Lumpiness under study—geometric affect?

8  3mm y 120 GeV Higgs x Where do Protons go at 420m x<2.5 cm x SD Bkgd Implies x-segmentation useful for multiple p’s in a detector (but this is not the big issue!)

9 QUARTIC Background Rejection (UTA) 1)2 single diffractive protons overlayed with a hard scatter (1% of interactions have a proton at 420m) 97.4% of events primary vertex and fake vertex from combining proton times more than 2.1mm (1  ) apart ; 94.8% if 20 psec 2) double pomeron overlayed with a hard scatter 97.8% of time vertices more than 2.1mm apart; 95.6% if 20 psec 3) hard SD overlayed with a soft SD 95.5% of time primary vertex and fake vertex more than 2.1mm apart; 91.0% if 20 psec

10 Background Rejection Big issue is fake background, not multiple proton background, we (I) do not know absolute magnitudes What I think is needed: generate inclusive SD +DPE (Phojet, other), Hard SD (Pomwig/other), inclusive Higgs (no protons Herwig/Pythia), SD Higgs (Pomwig/other) Track protons to 420m Apply kinematic constraints, comparison of missing mass to central mass, apply additional constraints from timing and see to what luminosity FP420 is feasible This could be showstopper, needs concerted effort/task force

11 Questions awaiting definitive answer from simulations (GEANT) and/or test beam: 1)Radiator: fused silica or if not what? Pb-glass? 2)Surfaces aluminized or spaced/total internal reflection? 3)Length/widths of bars (angle from radiator)... MCP clearance. 4) Mechanics of housing/integration QUARTIC Design Baseline detector: 6x4 6mm square rods of fused silica in z consider 4x9mm or 3x12 mm in x consider 16 x 1.5 mm consider limiting wavelength range larger n to get more light

12 Quotes Requested I) Fused silica n~1.5 lengths for a set are 90,95,100,105,110,115 mm a) high transmission over range nm i) 4 sets polished on all faces (baseline detector) ii) 2 sets polished except one of the 6mmx6mm sq faces b) high transmission over range nm (visible detector) i) 2 sets polished on all faces II) Fused silica n~1.5 (short detector) lengths for a set are 45,47.5,50,52.5,55,57.5 mm a) high transmission over range nm i) 2 sets polished on all faces III) A high transmission material in the nm range with n~1.8 (high index detector) lengths for a set are 83,87,91,95,99,103 mm a) i) 2 sets polished on all faces

13 QUARTIC Timeline 1) buy "quartz" (UTA) slow vendor response, so have got out multiple bids, plan first purchase this week, 4-5 week delivery 2) simple frame, plan to be ready when quartz arrives w/cosmic test stand (UTA) (trigger scint from FNAL) 3) electronics circuit (Alberta) delayed by new building move; April 28 UTA meeting will be a focal point given that circuit likely to take 3+ months (1 month design, 2 months fab) and testing, a 2 phase approach seems desirable i) off shelf nim-type cfd and tdc for early test beam, say July 1 ii) new improved circuit for Aug. 1 4) Test beam preparation (FNAL, UTA, Alberta) manpower June-August, pedro+? Alberta needs personnel money to send people to FNAL, Louvain?, Helsinki?, Saclay? other? need to integrate Quartic into test beam readout (Alberta?)

14 Conclusions Fast TOF is a critical part of FP420 Background studies are a crucial FP420 issue—potential show stopper Still plan to test baseline detector in Fermi test beam this summer Electronics schedule tight Test beam manpower is an issue Funding is an issue