privecsg ecsg 1 IEEE 802 EC Privacy Recommendation SG 802 Plenary Meeting November 3-7, 2014 Juan Carlos Zuniga, InterDigital Labs (EC SG Chair)
privecsg ecsg 2 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants [Note: Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2]: –“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims –“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search
privecsg ecsg 3 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: –IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws –IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at – If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at
privecsg ecsg 4 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: –Either speak up now or –Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or –Cause an LOA to be submitted
privecsg ecsg 5 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. –Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
privecsg ecsg 6 Resources – URLs Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation – Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines – guidelines.pdfhttp://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust- guidelines.pdf Link to IEEE Code of Ethics – ethics.htmlhttp:// ethics.html Link to IEEE Patent Policy –
privecsg ecsg 7 November 2014 F2F Meeting Venue –Grand Hyatt San Antonio, 600 East Market Street, San Antonio, TX USA Sessions - Lone Star B meeting room, 2 nd level –Tuesday,Nov 4 th, 19:30 – 21:30 –Thursday,Nov 6 th, 19:30 – 21:30
privecsg ecsg 8 Agenda Welcome Chair's slides –IEEE Slides –Call meeting to order Group’s updates –802c PAR update / comments to be submitted –EC Closing Report Technical Presentations –Separation of Access and Core Partitioning in the Local Space –Privacy Threat Model –IETF MAC Address Randomization Trial Status & Wiki Page Next Steps
privecsg ecsg 9 Business#1 Call Meeting to Order –Meeting called to order by chair at 19:35 Call for secretary / Minutes taker – Karen Randall / Joseph Levy Roll Call NameAffiliationNameAffiliation Juan Carlos Zuniga (Chair) InterDigitalPiers O’HanlonOxford Internet Institute Mathieu CuncheINRIAWalter PienciakIEEE-SA Antonio de la OlivaUC3MKaren RandallRandall-Consulting Dan HarkinsAruba NetworksMax RiegelNSN Paul LambertMarvellDan RomascanuAvaya Soo Bum LeeQualcommRene StruikStruik Security Consultancy Robert MoskowitzVerizonBrian WeisCisco
privecsg ecsg 10 Business#2 Agenda bashing – Approval of minutes –Oct 1 minutes-of-ec-privacy-recommendation-sg-teleconference-october-1st docxhttps://mentor.ieee.org/privecsg/dcn/14/privecsg ecsg- minutes-of-ec-privacy-recommendation-sg-teleconference-october-1st docx –Oct 22 minutes-of-ec-privacy-recommendation-sg-teleconference-october-22nd docxhttps://mentor.ieee.org/privecsg/dcn/14/privecsg ecsg- minutes-of-ec-privacy-recommendation-sg-teleconference-october-22nd docx Reports –Group’s updates 802c PAR update / comments to be submitted EC Closing Report
privecsg ecsg 11 IEEE 802c PAR Amendment to IEEE Standard Local address space usage recommendations and rules PAR: thaler-local-address-par-v01.pdf thaler-local-address-par-v01.pdf CSD: local-address-csd-v01.pdf local-address-csd-v01.pdf –Comments from Privacy EC SG to about 802c PAR compiled and submitted: 01-ecsg-comments-to-802c-par-csd.pptx 01-ecsg-comments-to-802c-par-csd.pptx
privecsg ecsg 12 IEEE 802 EC Closing Report Report from IEEE EC Privacy Recommendation SG to 802 Executive Committee –Should the EC Privacy SG work on a PAR/CSD for submission 30 days before the March 2015 meeting? –Schedule to submit PAR/CSD 30 days before Plenary meeting (e.g. by 4 February 2015)
privecsg ecsg 13 Business#3.1 Technical presentations –Roger Marks (EthAirNet Associates) Separation of Access and Core Partitioning in the Local Space separation-of-access-and-core- partitioning-in-the-local-space.pdfhttps://mentor.ieee.org/privecsg/dcn/14/privecsg separation-of-access-and-core- partitioning-in-the-local-space.pdf
privecsg ecsg 14 Business#3.2 Technical presentations –Juan Carlos Zuniga (InterDigital Labs) MAC Randomization IETF 91 Nov 9-14, Honolulu, HI, USA privacyhttps:// privacy
privecsg ecsg Trial at IETF meeting Trial IETF 91 Venue –Different SSID (e.g. ietf_PrivRandMAC?) –Separate VLAN, DHCP, Switching and AAA infrastructure –Will use only 2.4 GHz infrastructure (b/g/n) –Different credentials will be needed to join this network Wiki page and instructions for participants –Private requested to announce participation –IETF91 wiki page with instructions about how to use specific MAC address randomization tools and setup DHCP client name/ID per user– to debug and find out potential issues –If possible, user should keep track of MAC addresses being used – could help in case of collision or other issues
privecsg ecsg Implications of MAC address changes Statistics to be collected –Network # associations in this SSID DHCP logs (MAC, DHCP client ID, time/date) DHCP pool size in time Switch table size in time AAA logs –Client DHCP client name/ID MAC address usage log –Others?
privecsg ecsg 17 Business#3.3 Technical presentations –Juan Carlos Zuniga (InterDigital Labs) –Alissa Cooper (Cisco Systems) 802 Privacy Threat Model privacy-threat-model.pptxhttps://mentor.ieee.org/privecsg/dcn/14/privecsg privacy-threat-model.pptx
privecsg ecsg 18 Business#4 Proposed next steps –Request extension of the Privacy Recommendation EC SG until the end of the March ‘15 meeting –Develop a PAR/CSD on recommended privacy practices for IEEE 802 protocols –Continue call for proposals to discuss technical topics (1)Threat Model for Privacy at Link Layer (2)Privacy Issues at Link Layer (3)Proposals regarding functionalities in IEEE 802 protocols to improve Privacy (4)Proposals regarding measuring levels of Privacy on Internet protocols (5)Implications of MAC address changes (6)Other…
privecsg ecsg 19 Business#4 Upcoming meetings (if SG is renewed) –10 December 2014, (10:00 AM ET) Teleconference –January? 7 January 2015, (10:00 AM ET) Teleconference 8 January 2015, (10:00 AM ET) Teleconference January 2015, IEEE Interim meeting in Atlanta –4 February 2015, (10:00 AM ET) Teleconference Potential PAR/CSD submission –25 February 2015, (10:00 AM ET) Teleconference –8-13 March, 2015, IEEE 802 Plenary meeting in Berlin, Germany AOB Meeting adjourned at