1 Panel debate IRES-ESCM and SEEA Olav Ljones Oslo Group Canberra, May

1. Consistency and coordination Consistency and coordination between IRES/ESCM and SEEA and SEEA- E is important (or even stronger: it is a prerequisite). IRES has been finalised before SEEA-E is finished. This lead to some open doors in IRES. The chapter on link to SEEA had to be unclear and with a short discussion. We intend to use ESCM to move the process of coordination between IRES and SEEA forward

2 Key energy concepts and statistics in IRES and SEEA IRES include a discussion of use and user groups. Among the users are the use in environment policy and environment statistics. In SEEA environment concepts and measurement is the core of the standard.

3 Data collection and statistics as a production process Modern views and strategy is to move away from the traditional single purpose surveys. We will not have one system for data collection for IRES and a separate collection of data (a survey) for SEEA –E. The solution is: Collect once use many times – data Important element will be: Integration and standardisation of collection of energy data. Storage – data warehouse. Editing and quality checking – standardisation of methods and procedures. IRES and SEEA similar data model. Similart to how business data is used also in NA: When data for Business statistics is collected it is taken account of the demands from NA. Example is that Business stat (EU) request data at enterprise level while NA claims data on LKAU (establishment level) the business survey has to collect data at detailed level.

4. Residence or territory principle Data on international use of resources by national (residential) business units has not been given priority in other fields than energy balances and energy accounts. For Norway – international merchant fleet and aviation makes the difference in figures of great magnitude.

5. Energy balances and industrial classifications One saying is that Emission calculations (and energy balances) are inconsistent with the standard industrial classification. To this tha answer is both yes and no. The explanation is that industrial classification is combined with activity distribution like transport. We have to go forward based on broad user consultations. At present we observe some confusion.

National accounts Are some of the energy accounts satellite accounts, from NA?

7. Energy statistics balances and accounts Conceptual confusions may be observed? Energy statistics – single surveys/ statistics and official statistics is more – a totality – it is relevant to talk about a system for official statistics. Quality of official statistics. Accuracy, timeliness, relevance, data collection ( include response burden) efficient production, but also consistency – coherence. What does this mean for energy statistics? Include a common energy measure – energy content in different energy product.

The concept – accounts compared to statistics Unclear distinction and definitions – An increasing tendency in some countries to bring in accounts. (should accounts be used with a more limited interpretation?)

What is special for SEEA SEEA has some key elements compared to energy statistics. Bring in statistics to describe the environment. The effects on resources and reserves. The climate – is of special importance and is not only to be a SEEA element (UNFCC and IPCC)