located bodies – two the discoursing body Socrates’s words – what are they doing? – Socrates and dialectic

the city new spaces for meeting and talking for presenting oneself and one’s arguments for listening and countering... and for eavesdropping

the law courts forensic argument

the political assembly representing interests

the theater

the dialogue Socrates and dialectic

Socrates’ method leading questions (49b) pursuing ethical inquiry working upon and eliminating contradiction arguing from particular cases, but apparently detached

the effect of Socrates’ words rationality at any cost removing history words as transparent as possible - uncontaminated by life making the opponent acquiesce follow your line of reasoning in denying their own an agonistic ethos

the good life? reason = virtue = happiness in a denial of life as sickness his last words – “Crito - I owe a cock to Asclepius - please remember to pay the debt” – you made a sacrifice to Asclepius upon recovering from a disease is life so worthless?

Nietzsche on Socrates... whence this equation – reason = virtue = happiness? why the absurdly fanatical rationalism? – even unto death? >> Twilight of the Idols

... Socrates was ugly! Nietzsche sees in Socrates’ physiognomy an indication of pathology he was an ugly nerd, but found a way of exacting revenge and asserting his will his rationality was a last ditch expedient – a strategy dialectics as profoundly bad manners – “what has first to have itself proved is of little value” in an aristocratic system one commands and gives reasons only afterwards – so Socrates was “rabble”, a clown and buffoon irritating, inspiring mistrust

Nietzsche on the pathology of reason Twilight of the Idols – “You ask me about the idiosyncrasies of philosophers?... There is their lack of historical sense, their hatred of even the idea of becoming, their Egyptianism. They think they are doing a thing honor when they remove it from history, sub specie aeterni – when they make a mummy of it. All that philosophers have handled for millennia are these conceptual mummies: nothing actual has escaped from their hands alive....” >> Twilight of the Idols

seriously though... ! Socrates and Plato are discoursing in the city of Athens

discourse the term is used here to mean located speech vital speech - located in community, history, life, the senses... one of the implications of the dialogue format

located bodies – two the discoursing body its words are not transparent, merely communicating but are dispersed in encounter and dialogue with others in specific historical, social, physical locations riddled with issues of asserting one over another tactically located – interested