1 Lesson 2: Chapter 3 Talks Between Lord Çiva & Saté

2 Chapter 3: Sections ñ Verses 1-14: Dakña’s next sacrifice—Saté wishes to attend Verses 15-25: Lord Çiva’s response to Saté

3 Verses 1-14: Dakña’s next sacrifice–Saté wishes to attend When Lord Brahmä appointed Dakña the chief of all the Prajäpatis, the progenitors of population, Dakña became very much puffed up. Dakña performed another sacrifice, and yet another, the latter well attended by the universal leaders. Hearing of that sacrifice and seeing her sisters en route to it, Saté, the daughter of Dakña, developed the desire to attend, and approached her husband, Lord Çiva, to convince him that they should go. (Contd) When Lord Brahmä appointed Dakña the chief of all the Prajäpatis, the progenitors of population, Dakña became very much puffed up. Dakña performed another sacrifice, and yet another, the latter well attended by the universal leaders. Hearing of that sacrifice and seeing her sisters en route to it, Saté, the daughter of Dakña, developed the desire to attend, and approached her husband, Lord Çiva, to convince him that they should go. (Contd)

Dakña’s next sacrifice–Saté wishes to attend (Contd) She explains that as a woman she is very much attached to her family and it is difficult for hear to miss a festive event attended by her relatives at her father’s house. Even though uninvited, it is always acceptable to visit a relative or friend without invitation. She explains that as a woman she is very much attached to her family and it is difficult for hear to miss a festive event attended by her relatives at her father’s house. Even though uninvited, it is always acceptable to visit a relative or friend without invitation. 4

5 Verses 15-25: Lord Çiva’s response to Saté Lord Çiva agreed that visiting a friend, though uninvited, is proper, but said that one should never go where the host finds faults with the guest and become angry towards him. Because they cannot attain self-realization themselves, the proud are unable to tolerate a saint’s transcendental opulence. Transcendentally enlightened persons offer mutual greetings, exchanged when they meet other persons, to the Supersoul, who is sitting within the body, not to the body itself. (Contd)

6 Lord Çiva’s response to Saté (Contd) Thus because Lord Çiva is always engaged in offering obeisances to Lord Väsudeva in pure Kåñëa consciousness, he is innocent of disrespecting Dakña. Although Saté is Dakña’s dearmost daughter, Çiva predicts she will be dishonored at Dakña’s home because of her relationship with her husband. Unkind words spoken by a friend perpetually torture one’s heart. Çiva warns that if Saté decides to go, because her father is envious of him, the insult by her relative will immediately be equal to death. Thus because Lord Çiva is always engaged in offering obeisances to Lord Väsudeva in pure Kåñëa consciousness, he is innocent of disrespecting Dakña. Although Saté is Dakña’s dearmost daughter, Çiva predicts she will be dishonored at Dakña’s home because of her relationship with her husband. Unkind words spoken by a friend perpetually torture one’s heart. Çiva warns that if Saté decides to go, because her father is envious of him, the insult by her relative will immediately be equal to death.

7 Discussion Points AMI (Group Discussion) Comment on how the statement, “…if one satisfies Viñëu, it is not necessary to satisfy His followers,” could be misused. Explain the fallacy of its misuse. (3) PeA Material exhaustion is an advantage for advancement in Kåñëa consciousness (17) Material exhaustion is an advantage for advancement in Kåñëa consciousness (17) Offering respect to Vaiñëavas is respecting the supersoul (21-22).(Contd) Offering respect to Vaiñëavas is respecting the supersoul (21-22).(Contd)

Discussion Points (Contd) PeA Difference between material and spiritual worlds (15) Difference between material and spiritual worlds (15) Zero is by the side of the Supreme One, it at once increases in value to ten (17) Zero is by the side of the Supreme One, it at once increases in value to ten (17) Und What is the significance of Lord Çiva, a liberated personality, feeling unhappy because of the words of Dakña? (15) What is the significance of Lord Çiva, a liberated personality, feeling unhappy because of the words of Dakña? (15) Çuddha-sattva existence (23) Çuddha-sattva existence (23) 8

The significance of Lord Çiva, a liberated personality, feeling unhappy because of the words of Dakña (15; Und, PeA) Çiva is an ätmärama, or situated in self-realization, but because he is in charge of the mode of ignorance, sometimes he is affected by the pleasure and pain of the material world. Although Lord Çiva is an ätmärama, or situated in self-realization, but because he is in charge of the mode of ignorance, sometimes he is affected by the pleasure and pain of the material world. However, in the spiritual world, the manifestation of so-called pain is full of bliss. However, in the spiritual world, the manifestation of so-called pain is full of bliss. 9

Why did Dakña become angry and subsequently criticize and curse Lord Çiva? (21) Anger is caused by enmity. Dakña was envious of Lord Çiva because of a) Çiva’s high position as an incarnation of a quality of the Supreme Lord; b) Çiva is in direct contact with the Supersoul; and c) Çiva is given a better sitting place than he. Anger is caused by enmity. Dakña was envious of Lord Çiva because of a) Çiva’s high position as an incarnation of a quality of the Supreme Lord; b) Çiva is in direct contact with the Supersoul; and c) Çiva is given a better sitting place than he. Besides Dakña, being materially puffed up, could not tolerate the high position of Çiva. Besides Dakña, being materially puffed up, could not tolerate the high position of Çiva. 10

Why didn’t Lord Çiva offer obeisances to Dakña, his father- in-law? (21-23) Obeisances are to be offered to the Supreme Lord situated within a material body and not to the body itself. Çiva is always in meditation upon the Lord—was in pure consciousness, or vasudeva state. Dakña was not spiritually elevated enough to rise to such a realization and thus became envious of Çiva. ä Furthermore, Dakña was obliged to accept Çiva as his son-in-law because of his father, Lord Brahmä. 11