1. Prandtl number dependence of magnetic-to-kinetic dissipation 1.What gets in, will get out 2.Even for vanishing viscosity 3.What if magnetic fields 4. contribute? Axel Brandenburg (Nordita  CU Boulder) (ApJ 791, 12 (2014)

2. Finite dissipation at vanishing viscosity 2 How is this modified by magnetic fields? Traceless rate-of-strain tensor if  0 then  2  infty Smaller , more J, same dissipation Smaller , more J, same dissipation Or: dynamo stronger, more dissipation Or: dynamo stronger, more dissipation Or: less dissipation Or: less dissipation 

3. Couple to B-field 3 taps energy –Dynamo if negative –Self-excited if instability –Requires 3-D B-field Isotropic turbulence –Small-scale dynamo (nonhelical) –Large-scale dynamo (helical)

4. 4 Motivation of LES modeling Location of cutoff does not matter for inertial range Order of limits  0  0   0 unimportant Passive scalar case Sc=  (Batchelor)

5. Coupling to B-field Magnetic dissipation depends on work term –Independent of microphysics? –Basic assumption of LES and iLES –e.g., hyperdiffusion (Galsgaard & Nordlund 1996) Not confirmed by DNS –Ratio scales with n/h –Either n or h fixed –What if replace Spitzer by Hall? 5

6. 2 solutions 6 Re const Re M const smaller, 2 smaller,  J 2 larger smaller, 2 smaller,  J 2 larger

7. 7 Numerically difficult? Energy dissipation via Joule Energy dissipation via Joule Viscous dissipation weak Viscous dissipation weak Can increase Re substantially! Can increase Re substantially! Brandenburg (2009, ApJ) Pr M = / 

8. Isothermal MHD 8 Forcing: helical or nonhelical

9. Pr M dependence of dissipation ratio Brandenburg (2014, ApJ, 791, 12) SPP = Sahoo, Perlekar, Pandit (2011)

10. Energy ratio nearly unchanged 10

11. Inertial range  compensated spectra 11

12. 2-D MHD (Tran et al, JFM 2013) 12 1-D shocks 2-D dec turb  smaller,  larger, J 2 finite,  J 2  0  2 /  J 2 keeps incr. Brandenburg (2014, ApJ, 791, 12)

13. Hall MHD How does it affect dissipation ratio? Does it “replace” ohmic diffusion somehow Does it affect the dynamo –Backscatter from magnetic to kinetic energy (Mininni, Alexakis, Pouquet 2006) –Nature of MHD Alfven waves changed 13

14. Hall MHD simulations 14 Makes dynamo weaker  less magnetic dissipation 288 3 resol.

15. Hall effect 15 Makes dynamo weaker = / 

16. Effect of rotation 16 No effect if supercritical

17. Conclusions Dissipation ratio scales with Pr M –Both for Pr M > 1 and < 1 –SS dynamo scaling shallower (nonuniversal) Qualitatively reproduced with MHD shocks determined by microphysics!? –Hall does affect dynamo, if 1/ l Hall subinertial –Questions about LES or iLES 17