1. Agenda for PDED ad hoc teleconference on 25 October 2016
July 2010
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0
Agenda for PDED ad hoc teleconference on 25 October 2016
24 Oct 2016
Authors:
Name
Company
Phone
Andrew Myles
Cisco
Andrew Myles, Cisco
Andrew Myles, Cisco

2. Welcome to the fifth teleconference of the PDED ad hoc
This group is the IEEE PDED Ad Hoc and not the IEEE EDPD Ad Hoc which is used in the calling the teleconference
PDED stands for Preamble Detect Energy Detect
PDED is an attempt to encapsulate the goal of the group …
… which is to discuss issues related to the 3GPP RAN1 request to IEEE WG to adopt an ED of -72dBm
The IEEE PDED Ad Hoc was formed in September 2016 at the Warsaw interim meeting
Andrew Myles was appointed as Chair
Andrew Myles, Cisco

3. There will be weekly teleconferences as necessary and two sessions at the plenary in San Antonio
The PDED ad hoc Chair has given notice of weekly teleconferences
Tuesday, 27 2pm PT
Tuesday, 4 2pm PT (cancelled; lack of submissions)
Tuesday, 11 2pm PT
Tuesday, 18 2pm PT (cancelled; clashes with WFA meeting in Madrid)
Tuesday, 25 2pm PT (today)
Tuesday, 1 2pm PT (cancelled; prepare for San Antonio instead)
The PDED ad hoc Chair has requested two session slots in San Antonio based on a draft agenda ( )
Tuesday AM2
Thursday PM1
Teleconferences and sessions will be cancelled if there is insufficient material
Andrew Myles, Cisco

4. The first task for the PDED ad hoc today is to appoint a secretary
It is important to keep proper minutes of all PDED meetings
However, it is generally not practical to Chair a meeting and take minutes at the same time
Especially without a recording 
Therefore we need a volunteer for a Secretary
Thomas Derham (Broadcom) did a great job in the 1st/3rd teleconferences …
… but sharing is good, particularly as Thomas is presenting today! 
The rewards for the Secretary are numerous
Power over the ad hoc …
… respect from your peers
… and a beverage from the Chair in San Antonio
Andrew Myles, Cisco

5. For attendance recording purposes please send an e-mail to the Chair and secretary
It would be useful to know who & how many are in attendance on this call
Please send an “I am attending PDED ad hoc” to:
<secretaries >
Andrew Myles, Cisco

6. The PDED ad hoc will review the official IEEE-SA patent material for pre-PAR groups
All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
Technical considerations remain primary focus
Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.
Andrew Myles, Cisco

7. The PDED ad hoc will review the official IEEE-SA patent material for pre-PAR groups
If you have questions:
Contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at
Visit standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html
See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
This slide set is available at:
development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.ppt
Andrew Myles, Cisco

8. Links are available to a variety of other useful resources
July 2010
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0
Links are available to a variety of other useful resources
Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation
Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines
Link to IEEE Code of Ethics
Link to IEEE Patent Policy
Andrew Myles, Cisco
Andrew Myles, Cisco

9. July 2010
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0
The PDED ad hoc will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette
IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization
Meetings shall be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization
Individuals shall address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about others
Andrew Myles, Cisco
Andrew Myles, Cisco

10. The PDED ad hoc will consider a proposed agenda
Bureaucratic stuff – done!
Where are we?
A quick summary of progress so far
Are there any submissions today?
– “Proposed response to 3GPP ED request” by Thomas Derham (Broadcom)
Will participants be willing to make future submissions?
Pressure from the Chair for people to do work
Any objections to this agenda?
Andrew Myles, Cisco

11. Where are we?
Andrew Myles, Cisco

12. The goal of the ad hoc is to decide on a response to 3GPP RAN1’s request for an ED of -72dBm
In Warsaw, it was agreed that the goal of PDED ad hoc is to is to discuss issues related to 3GPP RAN1’s request to IEEE WG to adopt an ED of -72dBm
The ad hoc could take one of a variety of positions
Accept the request
Maybe without reasons to 3GPP RAN1, but presumably after confirmation from TGax
Reject the request
Presumably with reasons
Propose an alternative to the request
Possibly based on previous requests to 3GPP RAN1 that they adopt PD
Ignore the request
Not very polite!
Andrew Myles, Cisco

13. The first teleconference introduced the group and proposed at least one path forward
First teleconference details
Agenda
Minutes
First teleconference summary
Chair introduced aims of group
Chair summarised the 3GPP RAN1 request for ED of -72dBm
Chair noted that ETSI BRAN activities suggests IEEE is going to have to deal with this issue at some point
Chair suggested an evaluation mechanism based on testing/simulation
Chair made call for submissions/ideas
Andrew Myles, Cisco

14. The third teleconference introduced the group and proposed at least one path forward
Third teleconference details
Agenda
Minutes
Third teleconference summary
Chair introduced aims of group
Brainstorming
PD is important for legacy , and likely for frequency re-use in ax
LAA does not use PD despite previous suggestions from
ETSI not relevant to question about whether PD should be used
Agreed that the RAN1 request for -72dBm is shorthand
Chair made a request for future submissions
Andrew Myles, Cisco

15. Are they any other submissions today?
Andrew Myles, Cisco

16. The ad hoc has received its first submission, ignoring anything the Chair has ever done! 
Submissions
– “Proposed response to 3GPP ED request” by Thomas Derham (Broadcom)
Andrew Myles, Cisco

17. The ad hoc will brainstorm …
Are we ready to start drafting a reply?
Is there an interest in generating evidence based on simulation/testing?
What other evidence do we have to drive a response? …
Andrew Myles, Cisco

18. Are participants planning to make future submissions?
Andrew Myles, Cisco

19. Are participants planning to make future submissions?
Please request time on the next agenda (in San Antonio) as soon as possible
I have heard rumours of possible submissions from folk from:
Broadcom (I am assuming they will want to build on today’s work)
HPE
Qualcomm
Self (Peter Ecclesine)
Any confirmations or any others?
Is anyone interested in drafting a possible response?
Andrew Myles, Cisco

20. The PDED ad hoc teleconference is adjourned!
Reminder: please send an “I am attending PDED ad hoc” to:
<secretaries >
Andrew Myles, Cisco