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What is Probability? Bayes and Frequentism
Louis Lyons Imperial College and Oxford (CMS experiment at CERN’s LHC) Islamabad Aug 2017
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Topics Will discuss mainly in context of PARAMETER ESTIMATION.
Misconceptions about Probability Different views of Probability Bayes versus Frequentism Conditional Probability and Bayes Theorem Bayesian priors P(A;B) P(B;A) Examples: Peasant and Dog Frequentist approach Meaning of confidence intervals for parameters Comparison summary of Bayes and Frequentist approaches Conclusion Will discuss mainly in context of PARAMETER ESTIMATION. Also important for GOODNESS of FIT and HYPOTHESIS TESTING
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Misconceptions Conversation with my barber about lottery: LL: Would you choose numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6? Barber: No that’s very unlikely to win LL: Lot’s of people think that, but any specific sequence is equally likely, so choose that to avoid having to share the prize. FACT: The set of numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6 is the most popular, so even if that wins, you don’t get a large sum CONCLUSION: My barber was right! Don’t choose 1,2,3,4,5,6
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Misconceptions What is probability that LL will meet Director of National Centre for Physics somewhere in 2018? 3% What is probability that LL will meet Director of National Centre for Physics here in 2018? 10%
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Misconceptions What is probability that LL will meet Director of National Centre for Physics somewhere in 2018? 3% What is probability that LL will meet Director of National Centre for Physics here in 2018? 10% These are INCONSISTENT
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PROBABILITY MATHEMATICAL Formal Based on Axioms FREQUENTIST
Ratio of frequencies as n infinity Repeated “identical” trials Not applicable to single event or physical constant BAYESIAN Degree of belief Can be applied to single event or physical constant (even though these have unique truth) Varies from person to person *** Quantified by “fair bet” LEGAL “We have heard the expert Statistician, but he told us only the mathematical probability, while we want the true probability.”
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Example of ‘analysing data’
Measure height of everyone in this room Is data consistent with bell-shaped curve (Gaussian or normal distribution)? Goodness of Fit (2 , etc.) What are the best values for the position and the width of the bell-shaped curve? (e.g. 1.71m and 0.16m) Parameter Determination (Likelihood, 2, Bayes, Frequentist….} Does data fit better to one Gaussian , or to 2 Gaussians? Hypothesis Testing (p-values, L-ratios, Bayes,…)
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Example of ‘analysing data’
Measure height of everyone in this room Is data consistent with bell-shaped curve (Gaussian or normal distribution)? What are the best values for the position and the width of the bell-shaped curve? (e.g. 1.71m and 0.16m) c) Does data fit better to one Gaussian , or to 2 Gaussians?
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BAYES and FREQUENTISM: The Return of an Old Controversy
Louis Lyons Imperial College and Oxford University
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It is possible to spend a lifetime analysing data without realising that there are two very different fundamental approaches to statistics: Bayesianism and Frequentism.
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How can textbooks not even mention Bayes / Frequentism?
For simplest case with no constraint on then at some probability, for both Bayes and Frequentist (but different interpretations) BUT in other situations (non-Gaussian, excluded ranges for params, allow for systematics,…..), B and F can and do differ. See Bob Cousins “Why isn’t every physicist a Bayesian?” Amer Jrnl Phys 63(1995)398
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We need to make a statement about
Parameters, Given Data The basic difference between the two: Bayesian : Probability (parameter, given data) (an anathema to a Frequentist!) Frequentist : Probability (data, given parameter) (a likelihood function)
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CONDITIONAL PROBABILITY P(A|B) = Prob of A, given that B has occurred
P[A+B] = N(A+B)/Ntot = {N(A+B)/N(B)} x {N(B)/Ntot} = P(A|B) x P(B) If A and B are independent, P(A|B) = P(A) Venn diagram P[A+B] = P(A) x P(B) e.g. P[rainy + Sunday] = P(rainy) x 1/ INDEP BUT: P[rainy + December] ≠ P(rainy) x 1/ INDEP P[Ee large + Eν large] ≠ P(Ee large) x P(Eν large) INDEP P[A+B] = P(A|B) x P(B) = P(B|A) x P(A) P(A|B) = P(B|A) x P(A) / P(B) ***** Bayes’ Theorem N.B Usually P(A|B) ≠ P(B|A) Examples later Ntot N(A) . N(B)
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Bayesian versus Classical
P(A and B) = P(A;B) x P(B) = P(B;A) x P(A) {If A and B are independent, P(A;B) =P(A), so P(A and B) = P(A)*P(B) } e.g. A = event contains t quark B = event contains W boson or A = I am in Islamabad B = I am giving a lecture P(A;B) = P(B;A) x P(A) /P(B) Completely uncontroversial, provided….
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Bayesian p(param | data) α p(data | param) * p(param)
Bayes’ Theorem p(param | data) α p(data | param) * p(param) posterior likelihood prior Problems: p(param) Has particular value “Degree of belief” Prior What functional form? Coverage
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p(parameter) Has specific value
“Degree of Belief” Credible interval Prior: What functional form? Uninformative prior: flat? In which variable? e.g. m, m2, ln m,….? Even more problematic with more params Unimportant if “data overshadows prior” Important for limits Subjective or Objective prior?
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Data overshadows prior
Mass of Z boson (from LEP) Data overshadows prior
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Even more important for UPPER LIMITS
Prior Even more important for UPPER LIMITS
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Mass-squared of neutrino
Prior = zero in unphysical region
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Bayesian posterior intervals
Upper limit Lower limit Central interval Shortest Posterior prob Param value
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Upper Limits from Poisson data Expect b = 3.0, observe n events
Ilya Narsky, FNAL CLW 2000 Upper Limits from Poisson data Expect b = 3.0, observe n events Upper Limits important for excluding models
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P (Data;Theory) P (Theory;Data) HIGGS SEARCH at CERN
Is data consistent with Standard Model? or with Standard Model + Higgs? End of Sept 2000: Data not very consistent with S.M. Prob (Data ; S.M.) < 1% valid frequentist statement Turned by the press into: Prob (S.M. ; Data) < 1% and therefore Prob (Higgs ; Data) > 99% i.e. “It is almost certain that the Higgs has been seen” THIS IS WRONG!
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P (Data;Theory) P (Theory;Data)
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P (Data;Theory) P (Theory;Data)
Theory = male or female Data = pregnant or not pregnant P (pregnant ; female) ~ 3%
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P (Data;Theory) P (Theory;Data)
Theory = male or female Data = pregnant or not pregnant P (pregnant ; female) ~ 3% but P (female ; pregnant) >>>3%
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Example 1 : Is coin fair ? Toss coin: 5 consecutive tails What is P(unbiased; data) ? i.e. p = ½ Depends on Prior(p) If village priest: prior ~ δ(p = 1/2) If stranger in pub: prior ~ 1 for 0 < p <1 (also needs cost function)
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Example 2 : Particle Identification Try to separate π’s and protons
probability (p tag; real p) = 0.95 probability (π tag; real p) = 0.05 probability (p tag; real π) = 0.10 probability (π tag; real π) = 0.90 Particle gives proton tag. What is it? Depends on prior = fraction of protons If proton beam, very likely If general secondary particles, more even If pure π beam, ~ 0
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Peasant and Dog Dog d has 50% probability of being 100 m. of Peasant p Peasant p has 50% probability of being within 100m of Dog d ? d p x River x =0 River x =1 km
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Given that: a) Dog d has 50% probability of being 100 m. of Peasant,
is it true that: b) Peasant p has 50% probability of being within 100m of Dog d ? Additional information Rivers at zero & 1 km. Peasant cannot cross them. Dog can swim across river - Statement a) still true If dog at –101 m, Peasant cannot be within 100m of dog Statement b) untrue
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Neyman “confidence interval” avoids pdf for
Classical Approach Neyman “confidence interval” avoids pdf for Uses only P( x; ) Confidence interval : P( contains ) = True for any Varying intervals from ensemble of experiments fixed Gives range of for which observed value was “likely” ( ) Contrast Bayes : Degree of belief = is in
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Classical (Neyman) Confidence Intervals
Uses only P(data|theory) μ≥ No prior for μ
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90% Classical interval for Gaussian
σ = μ ≥ 0 e.g. m2(νe), length of small object Other methods have different behaviour at negative x
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at 90% confidence Frequentist Bayesian and known, but random
unknown, but fixed Probability statement about and Frequentist and known, and fixed unknown, and random Probability/credible statement about Bayesian
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Frequentism: Specific example
Particle decays exponentially: dn/dt = (1/τ) exp(-t/τ) Observe 1 decay at time t1: L(τ) = (1/τ) exp(-t1/τ) Construct 68% central interval t = .17τ dn/dt τ t t = 1.8τ t t 68% conf. int. for τ from t1 /1.8 t1 /0.17
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Bayesian versus Frequentism
Bayesian Frequentist Basis of method Bayes Theorem Posterior probability distribution Uses pdf for data, for fixed parameters Meaning of probability Degree of belief Frequentist definition Prob of parameters? Yes Anathema Needs prior? No Choice of interval? Yes (except F+C) Data considered Only data you have ….+ other possible data Likelihood principle?
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Bayesian versus Frequentism
Bayesian Frequentist Ensemble of experiment No Yes (but often not explicit) Final statement Posterior probability distribution Parameter values Data is likely Unphysical/ empty ranges Excluded by prior Can occur Systematics Integrate over prior Extend dimensionality of frequentist construction Coverage Unimportant Built-in Decision making Yes (uses cost function) Not useful
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Bayesianism versus Frequentism
“Bayesians address the question everyone is interested in, by using assumptions no-one believes” “Frequentists use impeccable logic to deal with an issue of no interest to anyone”
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Approach used at LHC Recommended to use both Frequentist and Bayesian approaches If agree, that’s good If disagree, see whether it is just because of different approaches
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Final Probability Story
(From David Hand ‘The Improbability Principle: Why coincidences, miracles and rare events happen all the time’) Someone enters 2 lotteries each week, choosing different sets of numbers for each One week she has the two sets of winning numbers BUT she has them the wrong way round Probability of a ticket winning one lottery ~10-7 Probability of 2 tickets winning 2 lotteries in same week ~ 10-14 But after considering: enormous number of lottery tickets bought number of weeks lottery operates number of lotteries around world probability of someone having 2 winning tickets somewhere in world during last 30 years is very much larger
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Particle Physics Resources (Astrophysics/Cosmology has its own too)
Books by Particle Physicists Barlow, Benkhe, Cowan, James, Lista, Lyons, Roe,….. PDG: Sections on Probability, Statistics and Monte Carlo simulation. PHYSTAT meetings CERN and FNAL 2000 for U.L. PhyStat-nu, Japan and FNAL 2016 PhyStat-DM in 2018? Statistics Committees Collider expts: BaBar, CDF, ATLAS, CMS RooStats e.g. Lyons + Moneta at CERN (2016) and at IPMU (2017) “Too easy to use”
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Conclusions Do your homework: Try to achieve consensus Good luck.
Before re-inventing the wheel, try to see if Statisticians have already found a solution to your statistics analysis problem. Don’t use your own square wheel if a circular one already exists. Try to achieve consensus Good luck.
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