1. Housing People : Getting the contract right
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2. Getting the Relationship Right
Housing People : Getting the contract right
Getting the Relationship Right

3. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Learning Points So far
Contract
Standards or Frameworks
Full time / part time
Fee
Agreement
20% off the job
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4. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Learning Points So far
Timeliness
Completion
Higher Apprenticeships:
Getting Project ‘Buy in’
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5. Contracting for Apprenticeship: Standard or Framework?
Housing People : Getting the contract right
Contracting for Apprenticeship: Standard or Framework?
Framework: Minimum 365 days. Standard: Minimum 372 days
BUT check stated length of apprenticeship related to individual standards
Ensure contract length is of equal time as stated in standard :
Housing L2 standard states 12 – 18 months –contract minimum 372 days
Business Admin L2 framework days – contract is OK
Issue:
Employ apprentice on < 30 hour weeks
Increase period of learning proportionately
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6. New Contract for Existing payroll staff?
Housing People : Getting the contract right
New Contract for Existing payroll staff?
Q: “For existing staff undertaking an apprenticeship programme do we need to offer a new contract of service? “ A: No, but you need addendum to existing contract – brief statement employer / employee commitment to apprenticeship – you’ve done this in previous system. Q “including existing staff on fixed term contracts?” A : “no need to change contract so long as longer than term of apprenticeship standard.” Q:” We’ll being going thru a restructure next year – what about issue of redundancies for staff on apprenticeship programmes” A: does not prevent employer making staff redundant whilst on programme.
Training provider can continue to support the individual once they have left organisation
Previous employer has no responsibility for funding once learner has left their employ- payment from DAS will cease
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7. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Fee Agreement
Bands sets highest fee:
Includes EPA Fee
Excludes Functional Skills
Evidence that fee reflects individual learning needs and previous experience
Examples: two Housing apprentices on two year contract to undertake Level 3 Housing Apprentice Officer – £9000
Cohort of 8 officers – L3 to upskill staff £5000 (note includes £1000 EPA fee)
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8. 20% Off the job: what is included?
Housing People : Getting the contract right
20% Off the job: what is included?
It is a contentious issue.
It is a “crude measure to ensure there are quality Apprenticeships….we will abide by the principle that off-the job training serves to enhance the quality of Apprenticeships and the qualifications”
Mark Dawe The Association of Employment and Learning Providers (AELP)
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9. 20% Off the job: Our position
Housing People : Getting the contract right
20% Off the job: Our position
We will ensure off the job training will enhance the quality of the apprenticeship BUT we will not over burden the employer and learner with excessive monitoring.
Our interpretation will be flexible depending upon learners – new apprentices, staff, and senior managers all have differing learning and support needs.
We will ensure we can demonstrate quality experience for all learners and the learning and support is appropriate for the learner
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10. Off the job: what’s in and what’s out?
Housing People : Getting the contract right
Off the job: what’s in and what’s out?
We ensure wide interpretation of ‘of the job’ based upon limited guidance from ESFA . But note
It doesn’t include learning activity related to Functional Skills
‘off the job’ learning activities that can be undertaken at the place of work, and at their work station.
Workshops/Tutorials E-Learning / On line learning Desk Top Research
Coaching (Tutor)/ Portfolio Mentoring (Tutor / Staff)
Peer Support ( learner / learner) Work Based Projects
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11. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Learning Points So far
Timeliness
Completion
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12. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Timeline & Timeliness
Timeliness of Completion
Refer / Re-assess
Gateway Ready – EPA Assessment
Apprenticeship Contract Term

13. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Learning Points So far
Getting Project
‘Buy in’
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14. Project ‘Buy in’ : Higher Apprenticeships
Housing People : Getting the contract right
Project ‘Buy in’ : Higher Apprenticeships
Mentoring facilitating allowing learner to ‘own’ the project
Learners engage with SMT / managers in scoping project brief
Demonstrate added value to organisation as well as satisfy EPAO
Learner develops range of skills in constructing project brief and production of project
‘Trial run’ End Point Assessment with internal panel. Allows manager/s to see value of project and provides learner opportunity to ‘showcase’ their skills
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15. Housing People : Getting the contract right
Questions?
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