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Effect Sizes…
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What do P-values tell us?
Strength of evidence against a null hypothesis Probability of getting the observed results (or something more extreme) if H0 (and associated assumptions) is correct (given observed variation).
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P-values and Effect Sizes?
NS Sig NS Sig Sig
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If not P, then what? Examples…
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1. Hedge's d: 2. Difference: XE - XC 3. Ratio: XE/XC 4
1. Hedge's d: Difference: XE - XC 3. Ratio: XE/XC 4. Log response ratio: ln(XE/XC)
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Need to motivate a more thoughtful approach…
So, are there metrics that don’t rely on signal/noise?
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Examine variation in biological effects
What if you want to compare your "effect" with others (e.g., meta-analysis)? Eliminate “effects” of the investigator (e.g., due to variation in duration, initial size, other variables…) Examine variation in biological effects
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Requires an effect size
that is linked with "theory" (or at least biology)
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An illustration Let's consider experiments that manipulate CO2 and look at the response of plants…
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2:
3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Tally up: 1) which study gives the largest effect? 2) Which study gives the smallest effect?
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5
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Effects: plant response to CO2
How did you come up with your answers? Did you have a “model” in mind? How do plants grow? How would CO2 effect that growth rate?
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Here's one option: dM/dt = "constant" (dep. on env., but not M)
Mt,c=Mo + gct Mt,x=Mo + gxt Effect: e = gx-gc = (Mt,x-Mt,c)/t Note: 1) this is a simple difference in "g" (thus, omnibus-like); But 2) g is derived from the data; it is NOT the measured response variable (that was M).
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Effect (linear):
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Another option: Exponential growth: dM/dt = gM Or: Mt=Moegt
Thus: effect = Δg = ln(Mt,x/Mt,c)/t
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Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Effect (linear): Effect (expon):
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Defining an "effect" forces you to think about the process you are studying.
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Density dependence Compare systems “with” vs. “without” density dependence, but… Based on P-values; null hypothesis tests Is this controversy real? What drives apparent variation? Osenberg et al (Ecology Letters)
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4 competing hypotheses to explain the variation in "effects"
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“effect” : requires model
Yet, few meta-analyses discuss the dynamics of their system and propose a model (or alternate models) for the underlying process. They simply pick an “effect”, such as cohen’s d (essentially a t statistic), or hedges g, or a difference, or a log-ratio, without further exploration or justification. This is a biological issue, not a statistical one.
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Beverton-Holt Recruitment Function:
Density (N) Inst. Mort. Rate slope = β α β : per capita effect of conspecifics α : density-independent mortality rate
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Integrated form of model:
α, β Input (Settlers) (Sub-Adults) Output N0 : initial density (e.g., settlers) Nt : “final” density (e.g., recruits or adults)
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Overall effect of density
= m2 fish-1 day-1 (CI: to ) [BUT extremely heterogeneous… …controversy?]
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Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0
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β small Nt N0 β large Den-indep. Den-dep.
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Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
X X Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0
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Den-indep. Den-dep.
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Den-indep. Den-dep.
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Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
X X Nt N0 Nt N0 X Nt N0 Nt N0
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Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
β similar (on average) Ambient densities differ Heterogeneity is large …and unresolved Nt N0
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Sources of variation? Predators Age-classes Taxonomic groups
Geographic regions Study design
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Australia Caribbean California Indo-Pacific
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Labrid Gobiid Acanthurid Pomacentrid
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Bottom-line… There are an infinite number of questions…
… so there should be an infinite number of effect size definitions.
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The challenge is to determine how to best quantify "your question".
Take home message: The challenge is to determine how to best quantify "your question". [Statistical issues are important, but they are secondary to biological ones: get the question right, then adjust the tool.]
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"but I don’t have a 'model'…"
Think a bit more about the process Make up data and challenge yourself to "rank them" (why?) Absolute vs. relative difference (XE-XC or ln(XE/XC))
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