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2. Mobile Ad Hoc Networks (manet) Agenda
Thursday, Nov 21,
1. Agenda Bashing/Quick Announcements (5 min)
2. Proposed Manet Way Forward (20 min)
3. Strawman Proposal for Charter and Milestone Update (10 min)
4. Related IRTF Activity Announcement (10 min)
5. Open Discussion of Proposal and Issues (15 min)
Core ID Progress Updates
6. TBRPF Update (15 min)
<draft-ietf-manet-tbrpf-06.txt>
7. DSR Update (15 min)
<draft-ietf-manet-dsr-07.txt>
8. OLSR Update (15 min)
<draft-ietf-manet-olsr-07.txt>
9. AODV Update (15 min)
<draft-ietf-manet-aodv-12.txt>
10. Closing Discussion (10 min)

3. Mailing List Update Member count is 1969 and counting
“wear a flower in your hair”
Next meeting is in Haight-Asbury, San Francisco ;-)
Remember member only posting is in effect
Spam is signficantly reduced
Sometimes people get annoyed at posts being held up
The ietf.org mailman system is more automated and user friendly than the previous majordomo setup
Use the list to discuss IETF MANET WG issues and items
There are other appropriate lists/contacts for detailed simulation questions, FAQs,etc

4. Perceived Status/Issues
Implementation and design work is very active
Third party interest has increased
There is reasonable implementation maturity and stability for several core approaches but more experimentation is being recommended
MANET-related research creep has been a problem in the WG
Our present rechartering effort will provide more scoped engineering direction

5. Charter And Milestone Revision
Long Overdue
ADs and Chairs have been formulating a strawman proposal
Core Approach
Reduce the near term scope of present WG
Formulate an IRTF venue for manet research items, split off related research work
Complete targeted EXPERIMENTAL RFC efforts
Convert core work items to an engineering mode
Target Common Proposed Standard effort(s)