1. PAR Review - Meeting Agenda and Comment slides - July 2017 -Berlin
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PAR Review - Meeting Agenda and Comment slides - July Berlin
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Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

2. Abstract-Snapshot Jul 9-14, 2017, Berlin, Germany
July 2017
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Abstract-Snapshot
Jul 9-14, 2017, Berlin, Germany
PARs under consideration:
802.1ABcu - Amendment: LLDP YANG Data Model  PAR and CSD
802.1ACct - Amendment: Support for IEEE Std   PAR and CSD
802.1AS-Rev - Timing and Synchronization for Time-Sensitive Applications PAR Modification Request
802.1CBcv - Amendment: Information Model, YANG Data Model and Management Information Base Module PAR and CSD
802.1Qcc - Stream Reservation Protocol (SRP) Enhancements and Performance Improvements PAR extension
802.1Qcw - Amendment: YANG Data Models for Scheduled Traffic, Frame Preemption, and Per-Stream Filtering and Policing PAR and CSD
802.1Qcx - Amendment: YANG Data Model for Connectivity Fault Management PAR and CSD
802.1AE - Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Media Access Control (MAC) Security Maintenance PAR
802.3bt - Amendment: DTE Power via MDI over 4-Pair PAR Extension  Unmodified CSD
Meeting times: Monday PM2, Tuesday AM2, Thursday AM2
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Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

3. PAR Review SC – July 2017 Chair: Jon Rosdahl
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PAR Review SC – July 2017 Chair: Jon Rosdahl
Draft Agenda:
Monday Agenda:
Welcome
Approve Previous Minutes
Determine order of review
Review PARs/CSD posted for review this week.
Recess
Tuesday Agenda:
Complete review of PARs/CSD and post comments to 802 WGs
Thursday Agenda:
Review Response to Comments
Prepare Report for WG closing plenary
Adjourn
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

4. Motion to Approve Previous Minutes
July 2017
Motion to Approve Previous Minutes
Move to approve doc 11-17/0461r0 < PAR-minutes-march-2017-session.docx> as the minutes for PAR Review SC from March 2017 Plenary in Vancouver Moved: Mike MONTEMURRO 2nd: Dorothy STANLEY Results: Unanimous
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

5. July 2017
Par Review Comments
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

6. 802.1ABcu - Amendment: LLDP YANG Data Model PAR and CSD
July 2017
802.1ABcu - Amendment: LLDP YANG Data Model  PAR and CSD
No Comment
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

7. 802.1ACct - Amendment: Support for IEEE Std 802.15.3 PAR and CSD
July 2017
802.1ACct - Amendment: Support for IEEE Std   PAR and CSD
1. PAR 8.1 Typo – seems too far in future – change to CSD and PAR Title does not match – the CSD title should be changed to match (it is a better description, but not really a name. 3. CSD – how is there really a cost to this interface? a) through e) should be just “Not applicable”.
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

8. July 2017
802.1AS-Rev - Timing and Synchronization for Time-Sensitive Applications PAR Modification Request
1. PAR 8.1 should explain what changes are being made to the PAR. (See NesCom Conventions #13 – “Modified PARS”).
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

9. July 2017
802.1CBcv - Amendment: Information Model, YANG Data Model and Management Information Base Module PAR and CSD
1. PAR 5.1 Missing number of expected participants.
2. CSD – Incorrect reference: “
Based on IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manuals approved 15 November 2013
Last edited 26 May 2016 “ should be using the correct form
- see: “IEEE 802 Operations Manual, v20, effective 17 March 2017
Criteria for Standards Development (CSD) in Open Document Format (ODF) (revision 13, last updated 20 January 2014) and Word 97/2000/XP format (revision 13, last updated 20 January 2014).
3. CSD does not have title of which PAR it applies.
4. CSD –The response describes the “Broad market Potential” of the main standard, rather than that of the Amendment. What is the benefit of the amendment?
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

10. July 2017
802.1Qcc - Stream Reservation Protocol (SRP) Enhancements and Performance Improvements PAR extension
No comments
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

11. July 2017
802.1Qcw - Amendment: YANG Data Models for Scheduled Traffic, Frame Preemption, and Per-Stream Filtering and Policing PAR and CSD
PAR 5.3 – The question was responded with a “Yes” but no explanation was given. Please add Explanation.
PAR 5.2.b –The title indicates this is adding YANG models, the last sentence “Additionally, this amendment will address open IEEE 802.1Qbv, IEEE 802.1Qbu and IEEE 802.1Qci maintenance items.” indicates that this includes maintenance. This would be more appropriate for a Revision Project.
Note that IEEE-SA RevCom may not approve/publish a new amendment if :
More than 3 Amendments already approved.
Base standard more than 3 years old
A two year extension plan approved by RevCom would needed for any other amendments to be published.
4. The CSD response was very well written.
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

12. July 2017
802.1Qcx - Amendment: YANG Data Model for Connectivity Fault Management PAR and CSD
No comment
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

13. 1. PAR 8.1 List the full name of all cited standards in the PAR
July 2017
802.1AE - Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Media Access Control (MAC) Security Maintenance PAR
1. PAR 8.1 List the full name of all cited standards in the PAR
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

14. PAR 3.3 – Does this group really not meet via Teleconference?
July 2017
802.3bt - Amendment: DTE Power via MDI over 4-Pair PAR Extension  Unmodified CSD
PAR 1. – Why two years? If the expected completion date is May 2018, that leaves 6 months cushion. Providing an explanation for the need for the extra year may be warranted.
PAR 3.3 – Does this group really not meet via Teleconference?
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15. July 2017
Responses From 802 WGs
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16. P802.1Qcw PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1Qcw PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1Qcw - Amendment: YANG Data Models for Scheduled Traffic, Frame Preemption, and Per-Stream Filtering and Policing were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated: The CSD has been updated:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

17. Rebuttal to 802.1Qcw PAR 5.2.b (project scope) 2. PAR 5.3
July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1Qcw
PAR 5.2.b (project scope)
– the addition of the “Additionally, this amendment will address errors or omissions to existing features related to the aforementioned clauses as approved by the maintenance process.”
The “IEEE maintenance process” does not have a PAR, so it is not an authorized Activity. The purpose each of the maintenance PARs should authorize the specific activity that is proposed.
Delete the “as approved by the maintenance process”.
2. PAR 5.3
– “If yes, please explain” – listing the title of another amendment does not seem to “explain”.
How is the proposed standard dependent on IEEE P802.1Q-Rev and IEEE P802.1Qcp?
What is the schedule impact due to the dependency on IEEE P802.1Q-Rev and IEEE P802.1Qcp?
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

18. July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1Qcw
3 PAR – 6.1b – “The YANG Data Model will be assigned a URN based on the RA URN tutorial and IEEE Std 802d.”
The acronyms need to be expanded “URN”, “RA”
The RA URN tutorial should include a reference.
IEEE Std 802d should be fully cited in 8.1
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

19. P802.1Qcx PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1Qcx PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1Qcx - Amendment: YANG Data Model for Connectivity Fault Management were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated: The CSD has been updated:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

20. July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1Qcx
1. PAR 5.3
– “If yes, please explain” – listing the title of another amendment does not seem to “explain”.
How is the proposed standard dependent on IEEE P802.1Q-Rev and IEEE P802.1Qcp?
What is the schedule impact due to the dependency on IEEE P802.1Q-Rev and IEEE P802.1Qcp?
2. PAR – 6.1b – “The YANG Data Model will be assigned a URN based on the RA URN tutorial and IEEE Std 802d.”
The acronyms need to be expanded “URN”, “RA”
The RA URN tutorial should include a reference.
IEEE Std 802d should be fully cited in 8.1
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

21. Updated P802.1Qcc PAR with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
Updated P802.1Qcc PAR with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1Qcc - Stream Reservation Protocol (SRP) Enhancements and Performance Improvements were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR extension has been updated: No Rebuttal comment.
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

22. P802.1CBcv PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1CBcv PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1CBcv - Amendment: Information Model, YANG Data Model and Management Information Base Module were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated: The CSD has been updated:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

23. Rebuttal to 802.1CBcv response
July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1CBcv response
5 – PAR 6.1b – The citing of IEEE 802d requires that the full standard be listed in 8.1, as well as IEEE std Also “RA” , “OID” and “URN” acronyms need to be spelled out on first usage as well. 6 – CSD – In the beginning of the CSD, there is discussion of MIB and YANG models, but in the new text in 1.2.5, there seems to be a change to YANG and SNMP (transport of the MIB), should this section be referring to the impact of the MIB. If Not, then you should also include a reference for SNMP.
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

24. P802.1AS-rev PAR with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1AS-rev PAR with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1AS-Rev - Timing and Synchronization for Time-Sensitive Applications were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR Modification Request has been updated:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

25. Rebuttal to 802.1ASrev response
July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1ASrev response
2. PAR 6.1b – The explanation text seems to imply a review is not necessary. Suggested Explanation Text: “RAC should review the use of registry terms that appear in the document (e.g., OUI, Ethertype, EUI-64, EUI-48 and text suggesting using a mapping from EUI-48 to EUI-64 that is now deprecated because it potentially creates duplicate EUI-64 addresses).” Also include the acronym expansion for “EUI”, “OUI”.
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

26. P802.1ABcu PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1ABcu PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the PAR for P802.1ABcu - Amendment: LLDP YANG Data Model were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated: The updated CSD:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

27. Rebuttal to 802.1ABcu PAR 5.2.b (project scope)
July 2017
Rebuttal to 802.1ABcu
PAR 5.2.b (project scope)
– the addition of the “Additionally, this amendment will address errors or omissions to existing features related to the aforementioned clauses as approved by the maintenance process.”
The “IEEE maintenance process” does not have a PAR, so it is not an authorized Activity. The purpose each of the maintenance PARs should authorize the specific activity that is proposed.
Delete the “as approved by the maintenance process”.
2. PAR – 6.1b – “The YANG Data Model will be assigned a URN based on the RA URN tutorial and IEEE Std 802d.”
The acronyms need to be expanded “URN”, “RA”
The RA URN tutorial should include a reference.
IEEE Std 802d should be fully cited in 8.1
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

28. P802.1ACct PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
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P802.1ACct PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the P802.1ACct PAR were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated: The updated CSD: No Rebuttal Comments
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

29. P802.1AE PAR & CSD with 802.1 comment responses
July 2017
P802.1AE PAR & CSD with comment responses
Comments on the P802.1AE PAR were received from and The responses to the comment are here: The PAR has been updated:
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

30. July 2017
Rebuttal to P802.1AE
PAR 6.1.b. Explanation: “RAC review of previously reviewed text is appropriate to assure terminology and descriptions of usage are correct.”
Suggested replacement: “RAC should review the use of registry terms that appear in the document.”
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

31. July 2017
802.3
Dear EC members, Please find below the comments and responses in respect to the draft IEEE P802.3bt PAR extension request. The updated draft PAR extension request can be accessed as follows. In addition, as the result of our own review of the IEEE P802.3bt CSD (grandfathered 5C), a change has been made with respect to existing 2-pair PoE being specified in Clause 33 and the new 4-pair PoE in Clause 145. The updated CSD (grandfathered 5C), with change marks, can be accessed at the as follows. Best regards, David Updated IEEE P802.3bt draft PAR extension request: < IEEE P802.3bt draft modified CSD (grandfathered 5C): <
Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

32. 802.3 comment response to 802.11 comments
July 2017
802.3 comment response to comments
Why two years? If the expected completion date is May 2018, that leaves 6 months cushion. Providing an explanation for the need for the extra year may be warranted. ACCEPTED: The number of years that the extension is being requested for has been changed to one Does this group really not meet via Teleconference? ACCEPTED: While the IEEE P802.3bt Task Force itself only meets in person, there are a number of IEEE P802.3bt Task Force Ad Hocs that meet by teleconference 10 times a year. Based on this the response to item 3.3 in respect to teleconferences has been updated to 10.
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33. July 2017
Final Report to
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34. Motion To Approve Report
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Motion To Approve Report
Move to accept 11-17/0858r2 as the report from PAR Review SC for the March 2017 plenary. Moved: Dorothy STANLEY 2nd: Stephen PALM Results:4-0-0 – motion passes
This Document
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Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)

35. References: IEEE 802 PARs Under consideration Webpage: Minutes:
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References:
IEEE 802 PARs Under consideration Webpage:
Minutes:
Previous Plenary: 11-17/461r0:
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Current Meeting: 11-17/1092r0
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