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High-end A/V processors
A hifi-plaza.com session by Frederic Vanden Poel Presented at the Home Theatherdag 2002 1/06/2002 Nieuwegein, Utrecht
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Todays topics Surround formats : the basics
A/V processors : building blocks Hot formats Case study installing a 7.1-ready room Demo setup the Tag Mc Laren av32r
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The basics : surround formats
Decoding of established formats Dolby Digital DTS PCM Additional processing Pro logic (Pro logic II) for PCM or DD sources THX post-processing Additional surround modes
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Established formats The established format for DVD, HDTV, games
Lossy psycho-acoustic coding Typical bitrate : 384kbps, 448kbps 5 main channels, one sub = 5.1 48 Khz, 20 bit word gives usable 120dB dynamic range Extensible to 6.1 : SURROUND-EX Multimedia : Nvidia N-Force, X-Box
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Established formats Alternative format on DVD, also lossy
Higher bitrate than DD ! Typical bitrate 754 Kbits (half) 1.5 Mbps (full) 5 main channels, one sub = 5.1 44.1 Khz (e.g. DTS CD/LD) & 48 Khz (DVD) Up to 24/192 Extensible to 6.1 : DTS-ES & discrete
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Established formats : less is more
When watching the HT discussion groups, one may notice the never-ending thread …
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Established formats : less is more
Common arguments DTS uses less compression, must be better More bass depth, layering
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Less is more … but Bitrate is not everything
Compression efficiency matters a 128 kbps MP3 sounds similar to a 192 kpbs MP2 Mpeg 4 is 5 to 10 times more efficient than Mpeg2 at same rate DTS adds 10dB to the LFE track (see also HDCD) On the tag av32r this can also be switched on/off a DD movie soundtrack will typically play 4 dB softer than an otherwise identical DTS soundtrack After normalization of levels & A/B encoding/decoding tests with identical masters: difference that was once claimed to be night and day disappears.
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Established formats : PCM
Just as DD & DTS are carried digitally, we must not forget PCM a multibit technology, e.g. 16 bits in one word at a rate of 44.1 khz, also denoted 16/44.1 Used to transport CD-Audio (redbook) But also any stereo track that has been processed for Dolby Pro-Logic (2) Current A/V processors will typically sample the analog inputs for further decoding/processing to more channels (e.g. 2:4 pro-logic decoding, 2:5.1 pl2) Also the internal format inside the processor after DD or DTS has been decoded
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Additional processing : pro-logic
4:2:4 encoding/decoding chain 4 channels are matrix encoded onto a 2 ch transport (e.g. Nicam) full bandwidth L/C/R limited (8Khz) mono surround
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Additional processing : THX
Not a coding standard Cinema : quality standard Home : quality and post-processing De-correlation of S Re-EQ : subtle roll off filter Variants : THX (past), now THX-Ultra THX-Select THX2
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Additional processing : music
Adds reverb/ambience/ to a stereo source Early days : Yamaha DSP (but a bit fake) Some contemporary examples : Proprietary Oem Yamaha Cinema DSP Tag Mc Laren TM Surround Lexicon Logic 7 DTS Neo 6 Music Mode Pro Logic II Music Mode
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Additional processing : surround
Create more channels than physically coded in format Early days : Yamaha Cinema DSP : 2 height channels Now : Proprietary Oem Yamaha Cinema DSP (Trifield) Lexicon Logic 7 DTS Neo 6 Pro Logic II
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A/V processor building blocks
Digital I/O Analog I/O Video I/O DSP Domotica I/O Software AD DA Vol Pre-amp
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Building blocks : digital I/O
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Building blocks : digital I/O
SP/DIF = Sony/Philips Digital Interface Formats transported : PCM/DD/DTS A real standard Problems : Clock recovery & jitter Typical usage upto 24/96
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SP/DIF : jitter Subtle delay variations : bits or frames do not arrive exactly in time Sound becomes harsh Solutions : Clock recovery Buffering (but introduces lipsync problem) Proprietary techniques using the above When buffering is NOT an option : clock sync e.g. Tag Sync Link : sync clocks between av32r & dvd32r (but costly player)
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SP/DIF : 2 common types Optical Coaxial
One extra conversion : jitter++ Error resilient Electrical connection Best sound quality in multiple tests (on Parasound/Tag) But : interference from other equipment (spikes) : lost sync
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How about DVD-A/SACD DVD-A Players will output AC3/DTS/PCM digitally
PCM from DVD-A is always downmixed ! No full resolution digital output from decoded MLP data ! Technics DVD-A10
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Why did it come this far ? DeCSS
How about DVD-A/SACD SACD Players will output PCM digitally, namely the CD layer on the hybrid SACD disk No digital link yet for DSD, only proprietary, e.g. Sharp with 1bit amp In the best case we get a downmix or CD layer digitally Sony SCD1 Why did it come this far ? DeCSS
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Possible solutions Now Future Proprietary digital solutions
Denon : Denon Digital Link (gigabit ethernet alike) Tag Mc Laren : dvi panellink A/V Meridian : 3 SP/DIF cables Integra/Onkyo : firewire No established standard for content protection : IP/DRM Analog 5.1 bypass as a lesser alternative Future Secure content exchange between devices : what about consumer rights ? DMCA v.s. Fair Use One digital interface for everything Buy transport/dvd player from A, buy processor from B …
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Building blocks : analog IO + A/D
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Building blocks : analog I/O
Required for analog equipment such as VCR’s, Tuners, ... or those sources which are kept analog like SACD and DVD-A
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Analog sources : 2 options
A/D + processing + D/A + volume control Useful for surround decoding, bass management, time alignment and relative SPL level Some offer even processing of 5.1 analog input (new Pioneer THX2 integrated amp) Relay signal directly towards the volume control 5.1 (or 7.1) analog bypass Some processors already have a 5.1 input Others were designed to A/D everything (e.g. Tag/Sony 9000)
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Add-on solution from Tag
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Add-on solution from Tag
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Building blocks : DSP
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DSP : the heart of the processor
Most important functions of the DSP Digital format decoding DD/DTS/DTS-ES/DD-EX/... Post processing Pro-logic,THX, HDCD, … Bass management Time alignment : delays Level adjustment (also possible analog)
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DSP : software Software support is important : being able to keep your A/V processor up to date (website updates) -> demo Serious price difference between vendors Some pre/pro’s which support SW upgrades Onkyo Integra RDC-7 Rotel RSP-1066 Tag Mc Laren av32r Sony TAE-9000ES BUT : vendor commitment is also required, e.g.Tag : every month SW update, Integra : when major format arrives (e.g. DPL2, THX2…)
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DSP : software limitations
The current algorithms are designed for PCM Except for some simple operations (time alignment = delay bitstream, level management), processing on DSD is not yet common. Solution : digitise 5.1 analog bypass Now we have full PCM based processing on a decoded DSD stream which was made analog Multi-bit artefacts reappear
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DSP : Hardware limitations
DSP is always limiting factor and like your PC on which you received the invitation for this workshop, your pre/pro will once run out of steam. Spare DSP sockets delay this process (Lexicon MC12) DSP’s can easily run out of steam when serializing TM5 on 24/96 but not PL PL or HDCD but not PL+HDCD AC3+THX/PL+THX OK but not DD PL + THX When a processor was not designed with sample rate conversion in mind, DTS 24/96 will never work as it still uses a 48 Khz input stream.
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Processors : Useful hi-fi features
For the hifi enthousiast seeking high-end stereo performance, the following features on some pre/pro’s come quite handy : Upsampling : some examples 16/88.2 (#sample redbook *2) greatly improves high frequencies : block wall filter outside audible range 24/88.2 further improves dynamics : a larger range of the DAC is used by scaling Good anti-jitter design With a good anti-jitter design, the sound is less dependent on the source E.g. 300 CD carousel on Meridian pre 5.1 analog bypass for those who can’t wait
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Building blocks : D/A + analog
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Digital to analog conversion
Current processors are equipped with 24/96 to 24/192 D/A converters Given the current formats, 24/96 is the most useful 24/192 should be useful in a pre/pro when MLP streams (or after decoding) can be sent digitally to the processor, but … But Warner is about to give up DVD-A ... So, except for upsampling 44.1 * 4, those 24/192 DAC’s will never be used native in their full resolution. Some 24/192 DACs are hybrid DSD, such as those inside the Pioneer 747A. Note that the Tag 5.1 upgrade board also has 5 new 192/24 dacs onboard
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Analog stages : double costs ?
Without a high-res interconnect format for SACD, what is the customer paying extra for 5.1 bypass? Tag asks about 1000 EUR for the av192r upgrade, which makes the av32r a high-end 5.1 analog pre-amp with 192K dacs. This is a fair price, given the RRP for the TAP9000ESN is even higher, Sony’s 5.1 bypass pre-amp The customer at least pays that amount twice when investing in a high-end multichannel SACD player, such as the SCDXA777ESN Keep attention to 3 extra interconnect pairs TAP9000ESN SACDXA777ESN
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Hot formats Dolby Pro-Logic 2
Extract 5.1 from 4:2 encoded pro-logic material Less collapse of front stage towards center Music and movie modes Ideal for TV & Satellite owners Not yet used by HP : almost all movies we watch are DVD sourced, no cable or sat
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Hot formats 6.1 formats, 7.1 speakers
Extra channel : discrete or matrixed Dolby : Dolby Digital Surround-EX DTS : DTS-ES, DTS-ES Discrete THX : THX-EX (post processing, collaboration with Dolby) Two pairs of surrounds are required
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Example : a 7.1 ready CRT room
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Initially :full towers as surround
The initial surrounds were B&W Matrix 802 S2 towers, which were always too close to the couch and the rear wall. Furthermore, the back port of the old 803 resulted in some boom. At that moment, EX came on the market but we thought the idea could also help us solve the 6dB attenutation rule …
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The 7.1 ready room : full towers as surround : wrong choice
Suppose a couch that’s 2m wide. Place the left and right 803’s at each side, let’s say at about 50cm. What happens when we sit in one corner ?? When we’re seated in the middle of the couch, we are 150cm away from each speaker : sweet spot OK When we’re seated in the left corner, one speaker is only 50cm away, while the other is 250cm away. SPL from left corner : -6dB from reference SPL (at 1m) SPL from right corner : (log 2.5 / log 2)*6dB = 7.9dB We can never get a two persons sweet spot … A lot of inexperienced users are still placing speakers like this … it can never work this way, not with 5.1, 7.1 … It doesn’t matter how many speakers you buy !
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The 7.1 ready room : dipoles
As you may remember, the room is very high. We can exploit the height to solve the big difference which was almost 14 dB ! Furthermore, dipoles cancel out on the perpendicular line. B&W SCM-8
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The 7.1 ready room : dipoles
The dipoles greatly reduced the surround hot spotting. We still were not 100% happy with the phantom center Adding a single center in the back gave strange results Adding another pair of dipoles in the back solved it. From the couch, our ears are inline with only one side of the rear dipoles and not the perpendicular line …
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Setup of the av32r What is required ?
Distance between each speaker and the defined hot spot. S-Video cable to Barco for menu setup Analog or Digital SPL meter THX test disc for reference SPLs
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