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Report from TSG GERAN2#21bis St Paul’s Bay, Malta, 4th – 8th October 2004
Diana Edwin, Siemens 3GPP TSG GERAN WG2 Chairman +44 (0) ,
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Contents Introduction Technical discussions
Initial document distribution Technical discussions Pre-release 5 corrections Release 5 Release 6 Open Work Items Liaison Statements Action points and ongoing topics Meeting calendar
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Introduction Reference documents 67 initial, independent documents
Official report to be distributed prior to next meeting GERAN2 work plan v17.0 in G2#21bis(04)0629 67 initial, independent documents 84 with mirror CRs, 135 after revisions 99% of initial documents were sent before the deadline 100% sent before the deadline were presented Approximate time distribution ~40% for MBMS ~30% for PS Handover ~25% for other Rel-6 items ~5% for pre-Release 6 corrections 39 delegates
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Initial Document Distribution (1)
4 Letters / Reports from Other Groups 2 5.1 Pre-Release 5 Corrections 6 Release 98/ Release 5.2 Release 5 Corrections 2 Iu mode corrections 0 Other corrections 2 5.3 Completed Release 6 Work Items 0 5.4 Open Work Items Multimedia Multicast and Broadcast Service 29 Uplink TDOA for GSM/GPRS – PS domain 2 Conversational Services in A/Gb Mode via the PS Domain 13 Reduction of PS service interruption in Dual Transfer Mode 0 Small Technical Enhancements and Improvements for Rel-6 13 5.5 Other Technical Work 0 Total (without mirror CRs)
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Initial Document Distribution (2)
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Contents Introduction Technical discussions
Initial document distribution Technical discussions Pre-release 5 corrections Release 5 Release 6 Open Work Items Liaison Statements Action points and ongoing topics Meeting calendar
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Release 98 – A-GPS corrections
G CR A114 rev 3: Correction of relation between GSM Reference Frame and GPS TOW to achieve high-accuracy timing assistance for AGPS Agreed G CR A118: Correction of allowed RRLP GPS reference location shapes for compatibility and consistent operation Postponed Companies requested time to check (Siemens) G Positioning Reporting inconsistencies This topic requires further study and may involve RAN2 and RAN3 (Joint meeting required?)
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Release 4 G CR Timers for the VGCS uplink control procedure Postponed G CR Incorrect length of group call reference IE Postponed G CR Incorrect length of the eMLPP priority Postponed Author was not available to present CRs
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Release 5 G CR Correction of SNS PDUs for IP support Agreed G CR rev 2: Correction of the Real-Time Integrity field Postponed It was agreed to align this change in behaviour according to the available Rel-5+ indicator for the SMLC G CR rev 7 RIM-NACC clean up Postponed Handled in RIM/NACC parallel session, the technical issues have all been agreed Only editorial corrections needed so agreement on this CR is expected at G#22
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Release 6 – Closed Work Items
No contributions on the following closed WIs Multiple TBFs Streaming Services FLO U-TDOA for CS
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Release 6 – U-TDOA G CR Inclusion of PS functionality for U-TDOA location method Agreed (Endorsed) GERAN WG2 agrees with the content of this CR G CR rev 7: Inclusion of PS functionality for U-TDOA location method Agreed
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MBMS Stage 2 CRs GERAN WG2 endorsed the following draft CRs to TS : G Addition of flexible reconfiguration for MBMS_BEARER_ID and MS_ID G Addition of reception of multiple sessions G Draft CR to TS on Pre-notification arrangement for optimising power consumption WORKING ASSUMPTION to pre-notify on a session basis (assuming the service and session IDs fit into the message) G Modification to description of MBMS Channel Release procedure G Addition of the cause indication whereby an MBMS p-t-m bearer is not established in a cell inside the MBMS assignment message
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MBMS Stage 2 CRs Draft CRs to TS 43.246 needing more work:
G MBMS Reception resumption after NAS service interruption G BSS Release of MBMS Context if no data arrives Discussion paper G MBMS Service Continuity at the service area border Negative response (i.e. reject) to MBMS SERVICE REQUEST message shall include one of four cause values Some scenarios still to be investigated
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MBMS Stage 3 CRs G CR rev 2: RLC protocol behaviour for MBMS data transfer Agreed Introduces non-persistent RLC mode which is only applicable for MBMS bearers Discussion in TEI6 WI about whether to also use this new RLC mode for (E)GPRS TBFs (FFS) G CR : Addition of MBMS session start/stop messages Drafting Ongoing It was agreed that the BSS may discard MBMS LLC PDUs arriving from the SGSN (e.g. if no radio channel has been established yet) Handling and actions on MBMS service context needs to be explained more in the procedures G MBMS Session Start Request Drafting Ongoing To be discussed with WG1
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MBMS Stage 3 CRs G , 36 CRs to & : Addition of MBMS access procedures and MBMS SERVICE REQUEST message Drafting Ongoing It is accepted that this CR prevents further extension to the 8-bit PCR for further access causes (with 3 random bits), after this the use of the 11-bit formats would need to be mandated. G , 34 CRs to & : Addition of MBMS NOTIFICATION message Drafting Ongoing Shorter version of TMGI + Session ID in order to provide pre-notification in this message is FFS
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MBMS Neighbour Cell Info
G Prioritizing MBMS Neighbouring Cell Information GERAN2 generally agrees with this concept, but it needs to be seen by GERAN1 also. G Acquisition of neighbouring cell data during packet transfer mode and/or MBMS Benefits for using this proposal for MSs with (E)GPRS TBF should be investigated over what is available today. Some aspects may need to be discussed in WG1. G , 570 Draft CR and CR on Use of the MBMS NEIGHBOURING CELL INFORMATION message CRs to be completed once concept is agreed (by WG1)
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MBMS RIM G2-040520 RIM applications for MBMS
Some dependencies on details of main R5 RIM/NACC CR For next revision it is assumed that the controlling BSS requests the MBMS information via RIM for each TMGI, this remains valid until the end of the MBMS session or until the controlling BSS resets the info for the TMGI Stage 3 CRs to be revised, but can only be agreed once Rel-5 CR for RIM/NACC is agreed. G CR Introduction of the RIM application SI3 G CR Introduction of the RIM application MBMS data channel
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MBMS – Paging co-ordination
G PS Paging Co-ordination in MBMS The single message at SESSION START is still preferred over introducing a “UE linking” procedure for all MBMS-capable MSs whenever they create a BSS PFC. Need to liase to SA2 on this point G CS Paging Co-ordination in MBMS Need to decide on which is preferred UL RR or GTTP message for MS to send P-TMSI at call establishment Evaluate RA-Capability-Update procedure for both PS/CS Feedback on the related stage 3 CRs is requested by Vodafone
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PS HO G Packet Switched Handover for GERAN A/Gb mode, Stage 2, TS v0.7.1 Presented and editorial changes in G agreed. Draft CRs to TS were agreed on the following topics: G Handling of MS RAC during PS Handover G Container Handling G XID Parameter Management G Additional step for the transfer of the XiD Command G Packet Handling/Forward SRNS context The TS is considered 70 % complete
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PS HO – NSAPI/SAPI/PFI mapping
Of the four options for handling remapping of the SAPI/PFI values for each NSAPI, as laid out in G , two are still being considered Alternative 1 – Remapping can be done by the new SGSN (the MS is informed via the PS HO Command message), the MS maintains knowledge of both the old and the new mapping until PS HO is complete. Ericsson’s and Siemens’ preference Alternative 3 – If remapping is required for a PDP Context, this PDP Context will not be handed over and will be subject to PDP Context Modification procedures in the new cell causing a delay in data resumption. Nokia’s preference, acceptable for Vodafone and Ericsson
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PS HO – START_PS handling and UE RAC
Both of the existing solutions for providing these parameters when needed for PS HO have significant disadvantages, Option 1: GMM procedures are affected (SGSN and possibly BSS has to store 3G params). Could use a RA-Capability-Enquiry to retrieve the info from the SGSN, which would reduce the number of times the info is sent unnecessarily on the Gb. Option 2: MS has to send this (large) information in an RLC/MAC control message (How? No segmentation scheme in uplink?). RAN2 needs to be contacted regarding how the source RNC gets the MS RAC to insert in the same forward container in the HO preparation phase. CN1 needs to be contacted asking about option 1 which would affect GMM procedures.
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PS HO – LLC and SNDCP Engine Management
G After discussion it was agreed that using the combination of LLC UM and RLC AM modes risks that one LLC PDU will be lost, this means we cannot call this behaviour “LOSSLESS” but there is still a benefit in providing this “Minimum packet loss” behaviour. It was agreed that: “SNDCP and PDCP sequence numbers can be transferred across PS handover in order to avoid data duplications and to avoid data loss for services that make use of LLC-ABM in A/Gb mode.”
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PS HO – Packet Forwarding
FORWARD SRNS CONTEXT procedure is at least for LLC AM and for when delivery order is required. CR in G assumes DL data starts at RAU Complete to align with existing , this is FFS. Translation between N-PDU and PDCP PDU sequence numbers needs to be studied.
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Release 6 – DTM G CR rev 1: MS behaviour in DTM resource reallocation during uplink TBF establishment Agreed G CR rev 2 Alignment of stage 2 with stage 3 for DTM Endorsed (to go to WG1) G CR rev 1 Change to PS Timing Advance behaviour for DTM to Packet Transfer transition Postponed G CR Removal of use of main DCCH for Packet Resource in DTM Agreed G CR rev 1: MS behaviour on receiving PACKET CS RELEASE INDICATION message Agreed G CR rev 1: Clarification of messages used for change of frequency parameters in DTM resource reallocation Agreed
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Release 6 – VGCS G CR rev 2 Introduction of new VGCS/VBS ciphering mechanism Postponed It was noted that it is assumed that support of VGCS ciphering is mandatory for a Rel-6 MS, however this is not explicitly stated in TS (stage 1) or TS (stage 2). Possible LS or inputs to CN1/SA3. G Draft to CR Introduction of USIM based VGCS/VBS ciphering mechanism This needs more work offline
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Release 6 – RLC mode modifications
G BSS controlled RLC mode selection This proposes that the BSS should be able to decide the preferred RLC mode for both DL and UL TBFs. G Non-persistent RLC mode for p-t-p (non-MBMS) services Proposes a non-persistent RLC mode with a variable non-exhaustive retransmission functionality (it could also be set to provide no retransmissions). Performance results are requested to show the gains over RLC UM with link adaptation.
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Release 6 – Other G CR rev 4: RLC data block usage during change of service demand Agreed G Fast TBF Reallocation This proposal is applicable only for the non-mTBF case, it is still not clear what the benefits of this feature are whether this enhancement is justified and why we need to provide better QoS to parallel flows in a Rel-6 non-mTBF-capable MS. More justification expected for G#22
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Outgoing LSs G LS on user-specific priorities for MBMS services G LS to SA2 on GERAN Assumptions and Open Issues for MBMS G LS on ‘Ciphering for Voice Group Call Services’
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Meeting Calendar 2004 Meeting Week Dates Place Host
G2 #17bis 3/04 12 – 16 Jan Edinburgh, UK EF3 G2 #18 6/04 03 – 05 Feb Reykjavik, Iceland EF3 G2 #18bis 13/04 22 – 26 Mar Phoenix, USA NAF3 G2 #19 17/04 20 – 22 Apr Cancun, Mexico NAF3 G2 #19bis 22/04 24 – 28 May 2004 Sophia-Antipolis ETSI G2 #20 26/04 22 – 24 Jun Bilbao, Spain EF3 G2 #21 35/04 24 – 26 Aug Montreal, Canada NAF3 MBMS Adhoc 38/04 13 – 15 Sep Turin, Italy TIM G2 #21bis 41/04 04 – 08 Oct Malta EF3 G2 #22 46/04 09 – 11 Nov Cape Town, South Africa Possible stage 3 CR drafting sessions on individual Rel-6 topics. 49/04 22 – 26 Nov 2004 ? 50/04 29 Nov – 3 Dec 2004 ?
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Meeting Calendar 2005 Meeting Dates Location
G2 # – 27 Jan [Tampa, Florida] G2 #23bis 07 – 11 Mar [Helsinki, Finland] G2 # – 07 Apr [Dublin, Ireland] G2 #24bis 23 – 27 May [US] G2 # – 23 Jun [US] G2 # – 25 Aug [Europe] G2 #26bis 03 – 07 Oct [Europe] G2 # – 10 Nov [US]
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