1. July 2008 Mesh Meeting Agenda
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July 2008
July 2008 Mesh Meeting Agenda
Date:
Authors:
Name
Address
Affiliations
Phone
Donald Eastlake 3rd
155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA USA
Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

2. IEEE 802.11s: Mesh Networking Task Group
July 2008
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July 2008
IEEE s: Mesh Networking Task Group
TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away.
Denver, Colorado
14-17 July, 2008
Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd. (Motorola)
Technical Editor: Anthony Maida (3eTI)
Secretary: Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks)
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

3. doc.: IEEE P802.11-08/701r2 The Hyatt Regency Denver
July 2008
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July 2008
Venue
The Hyatt Regency Denver
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

4. General Flow of the TGs Meeting
July 2008
General Flow of the TGs Meeting
Monday
Administrivia and Status
TGs Process Presentation
Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft
Tuesday
Wednesday
Security Presentations
Thursday
TGs Process Discussion
Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes
Other Technical Presentations
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5. Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
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Monday, 14 July :00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
Call meeting to Order
Miscellaneous Announcements
Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc.
Approval of Agenda
Approval of Minutes
Jacksonville meeting minutes: 11-08/580r2
Teleconference minutes:
May 28, June 25, July 9: 11-08/704r0, 11-08/749r0, 11-08/793r0
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

6. Miscellaneous Announcements
July 2008
Miscellaneous Announcements
Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended!
The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff.
Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area!
Individual membership
In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization.
Photographs and Recordings
No sound recordings are permitted at WG or TG meetings.
No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission.
Media – Press and Analyst briefings
Only the /.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working groups
The Book
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7. July 2008
Important Stuff
Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda.
Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions:
Anti-Trust:
IEEE Ethics:
Letter of Assurance Form:
IEEE Patent Committee:
IEEE Patent Policy:
Patent FAQ:
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8. Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
July 2008
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July 2008
Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants:
“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents
“Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims
“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)
The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group
Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2
Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged
No duty to perform a patent search
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

9. Patent Related Links
July 2008
All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.
Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws
IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual
Material about the patent policy is available at
If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit
This slide set is available at
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10. Call for Potentially Essential Patents
July 2008
Call for Potentially Essential Patents
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
Either speak up now or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
Cause an LOA to be submitted
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11. Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
July 2008
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
Technical considerations remain primary focus
Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.
See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

12. Automated Attendance Recording
July 2008
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Automated Attendance Recording
Go to (Documents: or or just
Sign-in
Claim attendance credit for each session.
Only “sign-in” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others.
You have to log in every session!
Do NOT use 802wirelessworld for anything!
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

13. Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
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Monday, 14 July :00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
Status of TGs Draft and Comment Resolutions
Draft D2.0+
“Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 126”, 11-08/493r14
The substance of comments 374, 763, and 1065 are not to be discussed
Motion to re-open four comments, made seconded and then postponed to start of next session.
Presentation and Discussion on Process
“TGs Process, July”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-08/831r1
“Power Save For s”, 11-08/0757r3, Jarrko Knecht (Nokia)
“Easy-to-Resolve SAE Comments from LB126”, 11-08/0753r2, Dan Harkins (Aruba)
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

14. Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
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Monday, 14 July :00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
“HT Features in Mesh Network”, 11-08/0798r2, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems)
Straw Poll: Do you think 11s should do more work to integrate 11n features in a 11s mesh network?
Yes: No: Don’t know: 9
(at ~7:45) Moved, To adopted the Draft changes in 11-08/753r2 and direct the editor to incorporate them into the draft resolving CIDs 135, 136, 140, 150, 464, 866, 1067, 1205, 1222, 1223, 1226, 1227, 1228, 1230, 1233, 1234, 1235, 1307, 1379, and 1890.
Mover: Dan Harkins Seconder: Guido Hiertz
Yes: No: 0 Abstain: 4 (passes > ¾)
Recess Until 10:30 Tuesday
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

15. Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room
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Tuesday, 15 July :30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder
Motion: Whereas the resolutions of CIDs 68, 692, 1100, and 1817 are incomplete and they were thus improperly closed; Moved, to rescind both the adoption of the resolutions of CIDs 68, 692, 1100, and 1817 and their closure.
Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Jesse Walker
Yes: No: 0 Abstain: 4 (passes > ¾)
[Motion above had listed 68, 87, 692 and Was amended to the list above by unanimous consent.]
“Power save for wireless mesh”, 11-08/846r0, Mathilde Benveniste (En.aerion)
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

16. Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room
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Tuesday, 15 July :30 – 12:30, Capitol 7 Room
Straw Poll: Would you like to hear more on the proposal in 11-08/846r0?
Yes: 7 No: 3 Don’t Know: 8
Straw Poll: Comment resolution subgroup interest?
Security: 5 MAC: 2 RFI: 6 General: 1
Recounted: Security: 5 MAC: 4 RFI: 7 General: 1
Divide into subgroups for comment resolution as follows:
RFI: Guenael Strutt
Security: Tony Braskich
MAC: Guido Hiertz
Reconvene and Recess until 13:30
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

17. Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
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Tuesday, 15 July :30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR
“MDA Issues”, 11-08/0635r2, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems)
Straw Poll: Do you think the problems in 11-08/635 should be solved based on the methods or updated versions of the methods in 11-08/635?
Yes: 1 No: 1 Do not know: 10
“Mesh QoS: Multiple Simultaneous Routes”, 11-08/849r1, Sandesh Goel (Marvell)
Straw Poll: Would you support enhanced QoS in a mesh by allowing multiple simultaneous routes between two mesh nodes?
Yes: 1 No: 9 Do not know: 12
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

18. Tuesday, 15 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
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Tuesday, 15 July :30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
Attendance Recording Reminder
Note: We will need a temporary Secretary for PM1 Thursday.
Divide into subgroups for comment resolution as follows:
RFI: Guenael Strutt
Security: Tony Braskich
MAC: Guido Hiertz
The Chair suggested that subgroups upload their work so far to the server so that it would meet the 4-hour rule by our next session.
Reconvene and Recess until 13:30 Wednesday
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

19. Wednesday, 16 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
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Wednesday, 16 July :30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder
Security Presentations
“Key Holder Protocol Revisions”, 11-08/0783r1, Tony Braskich (Motorola).
“Authentication and Key Management of MP with multiple radios”, 11-08/0317r5 (word: 11-08/0526r5), Amy Zhang (Huawei).
“Different MKD domain MPs communication method”, 11-08/0791r0, Amy Zhang (Huawei).
“SAE state machine …”, r0 (Word: r0), Dan Harkins (Aruba)
Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft
Recess until 16:00
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

20. Pending Presentations
July 2008
Pending Presentations
“Symmetrical Link Metric and Path Loop Avoiding, 11-08/0636, Liwen Chu (ST Microsystems)
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21. Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
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July 2008
Wednesday, 16 July :00 – 18:00, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder
Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft
Recess until 08:00 Thursday
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

22. Thursday, 17 July 2008 08:00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room
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July 2008
Thursday, 17 July :00 – 10:00, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR and Attendance recording reminder
Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft
Recess until 13:30
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

23. Thursday, 17 July 2008 13:30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
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July 2008
Thursday, 17 July :30 – 15:30, Capitol 7 Room
Call Meeting to Order
IPR and Attendance recording reminder
Selection of temporary Secretary.
Moved, to direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session.
Mover: Seconder:
Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences
“TGs Process, May”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-08/831r2
Other Technical Presentations
Adjourn sine die
TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

24. [Reference Information]
July 2008
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[Reference Information]
Updated PAR at
Original PAR for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1.
Comment Resolution Spreadsheets:
11-08/493r14: Resolution of Letter Ballot #126 Comments (D2.0)
11-07/23r55: Resolution of comments received during IEEE Letter Ballot #93 (D1.0)
TGs Technical Editors:
Anthony Maida (3eTI), Drafts
Avinash Joshi (Motorola), Drafts 1.09 through D2.0
W. Steven Conner (Intel). Drafts 0.01 through D1.08 (also chair of the first Mesh Study Group Session)
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

25. [Earlier Meeting Minutes]
July 2008
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July 2008
[Earlier Meeting Minutes]
Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes
May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida, 11-08/580r2
May 2008, ad hoc meeting, Santa Clara, California, 11-08/539r0
March 2008, Orlando, Florida, 11-08/424r0
January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan, 11-08/170r2
November 2007, Atlanta, Georgia, 11-07/2826r1
September 2007, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2495r0
September 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2413r0
July 2007, San Francisco, California, 11-07/2277r0
June 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/2009r0
May 2007, Montreal, Quebec, 11-07/746r0
April 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 11-07/559r1
March 2007, Orlando, Florida, 11-07/413r0
Recent Teleconference Minutes
16 April 2008, 11-08/463r1
30 April 2008, 11-08/494r0
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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola