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1 MVP vs PUC Custom Chassis Ferrara MVP – Extruded Cab & Body Pierce PUC
Inferno 3/16” cab 3/16” body Alum subframe Up to 500 hp Pumper Aerial Rescue Quantum 1/8” cab 1/8” body Steel subframe body Igniter Arrow XT Ember Up to 450 hp Velocity Intruder 2 Pumper * Aerial * Rescue * Impel Saber Dash CF Same construction TBD PUC cab Contender * Intruder 2 has no speedlay notch in the cab

2 MVP vs PUC PUC MVP Compare: MVP stokes compartment has a painted double pan door and is fully enclosed. PUC stokes storage is open in the center. MVP backboard storage is removable for pump access MVP compartments are lowered 3” so it’s easier to remove heavy equipment (compare rub rail locations to center of tire)

3 MVP vs PUC Compare: 1¾” speedlay height
2½” speedlay height (PUC 2½” speedlay takes the place of stokes compartment, located at standard crosslay height) MVP speedlays are lower to the ground, easier to use/reload MVP 1¾” speedlays are 3x wide, 99” across (carry more hose!) PUC 1¾” speedlays are 2x wide, 70” across

4 MVP vs PUC Compare: Storage compartments
MVP standard is 2 compartments each side ahead of the pump panel for stokes and tool storage MVP standard is 27.5” full height/full depth on 500, 750 and 1000 gallon bodies PUC standard is 12” deep upper/26” deep lower; optional 26” deep full height/full compartments

5 MVP vs PUC Compare: Body layout and storage compartments
MVP standard body has ladders beside the hose bed with full height/full 27.5” deep compartments on both sides PUC standard body has ladders beside tank with split depth compartments, 26” deep lower/12” deep upper MVP body styles: 166” w/b, 183” w/b, 203” w/b, 208” w/b, & special PUC body styles: 177” w/b, 189” w/b, 214” w/b, 220” w/b tm

6 MVP vs PUC Compare: The most important part of a pumper is the PUMP!
MVP pumpers use a Hale QMAX, ratable up to 2250 GPM PUC uses a REPTO driven Darley pump. Literature states 1500 GPM, but many in the field are rated lower

7 MVP vs PUC Compare: PUC MVP
Pierce/Detroit Diesel literature lists the output torque of a DD13 REPTO at 650 Newton-meters.  Converted to English, 650 Newton-meters equals 479 foot-pounds of torque.  Remember, the MVP pump is split shaft driven, meaning the torque comes from the transmission. This has a torque rating roughly 2.5 times greater (Allison 3000EVS) or 3.5 times greater (Allison 4000EVS) than the force of the REPTO. By the way, if you want to find an Allison with roughly the same torque as the DD13 REPTO, you can’t. The Allison 1000 (used in the GMC Sierra) produces 575 ft-lbs. If a pump’s maximum capacity is 1500 GPM when new, what will it deliver 5 years from now when the components start getting worn? ISO requires a fire department be capable of delivering 3500 GPM for most commercial structures. This would take 3 trucks rated at 1500 GPM or 2 trucks rated at 1750 GPM. Use the MVP’s pump capability to your advantage over the PUC!

8 MVP vs PUC PUC MVP Compare: MVP uses a Hale QMAX; PUC a REPTO driven Darley pump Steamer inlets: Look at the 90 degree elbows in PUC’s steamer MVP PUC

9 MVP vs PUC Compare: Pump panel hose connection heights
MVP steamer height is the same as any pumper, making for easy connections PUC steamer is low and away, difficult to connect Gated suction on an MVP is conventional height 2-1/2” discharge on an MVP is conventional height Compare these to the PUC!

10 MVP vs PUC PUC MVP Compare: The LDH discharge on the PUC is located low and away, compared to the standard height LDH discharge on an MVP Look at the PUC photo and note again the number of elbows in the inlet and discharge manifolds. PUC needs the elbows to get the steamer below the speedlays. Specify the heights (above street level) of the steamers and speedlays!

11 MVP vs PUC Compare: Pump access; PUC vs. MVP
Note the how far discharge piping is from the PUC pump Easy service access on the MVP with body fixtures intact Compare to the PUC & notice the speedlay “wings” must be removed

12 MVP vs PUC Compare: Rear step
PUC has an optional tailboard compartment door that drops down to create a narrow step. The MVP has a full width x 14” deep tailboard for firefighter safety MVP hose bed height is lower, only 77.5” above street level (compare to 82” on the PUC) PUC ladders (in this photo) are stored between tank and left high sides. This reduces compartment space compared to MVP ladders next to the hose bed.

13 MVP vs PUC Commercial Pumper Compare:
Pump access; PUC (left) vs. MVP (right) Hinged right side pump panel + removable speedlays on the MVP is superior to PUC commercial chassis with speedlays over the top of the pump PUC PUC

14 MVP vs PUC Aerial Ladder Compare:
MVP aerial w/b = 224” extended medium cab; 230” long cab PUC 75’ aerial wheelbase = 230” MVP aerial = 205 cubic feet of storage PUC aerial = 143 cubic feet of storage Like an MVP pumper, MVP aerials feature a split shaft driven midship pump, not a REPTO driven pump as on the PUC

15 Pierce PUC 75’ Aerial Arrow XT 67” Long Cab
MVP vs PUC Aerial Ladder Pierce PUC 75’ Aerial Arrow XT 67” Long Cab

16 MVP vs PUC Aerial Ladder Compare:
Build an MVP HD-77 aerial with full ISO points and beat the PUC! 1750 GPM or larger GPM pump Full ISO ground ladders Full ISO hose load; 800’ x 4” plus 400’ x 2½”

17 MVP vs PUC Aerial Ladder Compare:
Spec compartment space and beat the PUC! MVP = Left side full height x 24” deep compartments PUC = Left side full height x staggered depth compartments 26” deep lower 20” deep upper

18 MVP vs PUC Aerial Ladder Compare:
Spec speedlay height and beat the PUC! MVP = Frame rail height speedlays, approximately 43” above street level PUC = Chest height speedlays, approximately 57” to the lower speedlays

19 Summary: Larger pump than the PUC, ratable up to 2250 GPM
More compartment storage than the PUC Built for firefighter safety – low speedlays, steps, & hose bed Pumpers as short as 166” wheelbase Aerials as short as 224” wheelbase 3/16” thick cab and body with extruded aluminum subframe Aerials can accommodate ISO hose load & ground ladders


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