1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
Sept 2018 Meeting
Waikoloa, Hawaii, USA
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
28 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Tuesday PM Kona 3
Wednesday PM Kona 3
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3. Agenda – 802.24-18-0019r1 802.24 Agenda - September 2018, Waikoloa, HI 1
Tuesday PM2 session KONA 3
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Liaison Updates 10
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:30 PM
1.7
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb 15
1.8
1.9
Discuss incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force regarding contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System" 30
4:45 PM
1.10
802.11ah and g (Sub 1-GHz coexistence (follow up from SG)
Godfrey/Rolfe
5:15 PM
1.11
Recess
5:45 PM 2
Wednesday PM2 session KONA 3
2.1
Call to Order Task Group
2.2
contributions to Nendica
Godfrey/Marks 20
2.3
Review editor comments and finalize Sub 1-GHz white paper for publication
2.4
Development and Editing of TSN White Paper
4:40 PM
2.5
2019 Planning
5:00 PM
2.6
Closing / Action Items / Adjourn
5:20 PM
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7. 802.24 TAG Approve July minutes TAG Action Items from July: Discussion
Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison on classifying IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements:
Response: “The completion of the first phase of the ATIS project is delayed to the end of the month, at which point it will be liaised to external organizations including ”
Establish Liaison with IEC SC25 for single pair ethernet. Chris will base on IEC SEG 8 request
Call for Comments on TSN and SPE white papers
Request Ludwig Winkel to provide P2413 Update in September (not attending)
Starting Sponsor Ballot. (request SB draft to be put in private area for comments)
Request IoT Use Cases from Wi-Fi Alliance IoT MSTG
Can we access the document in private area. (get permission from somebody at WFA)
Discussion
RTA TIG is pursuing low latency – possible alignment across various application categories. Invite more vertical application participants to attend in November.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

8. Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Liaison Request sent to SEG8
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
Liaison Request sent to SEG8
Next SEG 8 meeting Sept 25-26
Get permission to share draft in private area
Provide notice on reflector of availability of draft for review before November meeting.
In November, will review and propose additional text and sections to address identified gaps.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

9. Informal Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance
Process is to request use cases for topics of interest.
Ian Sherlock will send an example request.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

10. Tuesday
Smart Grid TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

11. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from
Database proposal in response to 6 GHz NPRM
Intended to address objections of incumbent users of band (including utilities)
Does database access reduce resilience of the network? If the backbone is down, how do devices get access?
15.4m provides a mechanism for initial transmission connection to query.
Is there a need for a white paper on the implications of database access for critical applications?
Both the incumbent users need confidence of protection, but the database users also need confidence of availability of access.
Coordinate with Rich Kennedy’s work
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. CEN-CENELEC-ETSI Smart Grid Coordination Group
Possible new activity in this group
No – nothing new happening
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. IEEE PSCC TF S6
January 2018 Study Report – "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication Systems“
TF S6 provided a new draft for review (in private area)
Comments / discussion
5.7 performance requirements – what are other requirements that should be included?
Is it performance of the network, the application, both/neither?
Reliability, Availability, Cost (OpEx, CapEx), Energy Consumption? Lifecycle? Size? Environmental?
Figure 8
g SUN PHY is missing.
NB-IOT is missing from 2G/3G/LTE column.
Security is not shown at all?
Z-wave is not a standard except for PHY?
In the class of PLC, there are G3, PRIME, IEEE (Netricity)
Figure 9
Why is HEMS not connected to anything?
Our comments incorporated into draft and uploaded to private area.
Continue discussion in November.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

14. g and ah Coexistence
will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes.
Identify use cases where g is not sufficient and both are needed
Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle,
Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist
Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference
As the work towards a recommended practice begins, a white paper can be used to explain the mutual benefits.
A revision to first Sub 1-GHz white paper or a new one?
If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work.
MERL will share simulation models on Github. New modules for 11ah 15.4g
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

15. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. Nendica
IEEE 802 network enhancements for the next decade Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document (ICAID)
NENDICA develops reports on specific topics. Completed data centers. Next Topics
Distributed Radio Access Networks
Second work item: Flexible Factory IoT – apply TSN
activities:
can provide review and feedback on Flexible Factory IoT and Distributed Radio Access Networks
Identify vertical applications that could be enabled by TSN features
Identify vertical application that could be enabled if TSN features were present in wireless standards
Can interfaces between wired and wireless map application-specific streams?
Provide vertical application requirements (needs, underlying problems) to Nendica.
Describing what is needed to define a common framework for TSN across wired and wireless standards. How do they fit together.
An initial exploration of the concept of TSN applied to wireless (specifically ) and how it could relate to mechanisms.
While has a big set of standards, there is one for – 802.3br. Perhaps a similar structure for an amendment. If RTA becomes an amendment what would it apply to? (Dave C’s presentation looked into this question)
There is a broad set of vertical applications that could benefit from an extension of TSN into
Actions for for November – check with Roger to see if further comments are desired on FFIoT – if so announce on reflector.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. Sub 1 GHz White Paper Review “802.24 TAG white paper_clean_TS.docx”
Comments/Questions from IEEE editor received following July Meeting
Final review then publish
Comments were discussed and resolved by the group. Edits to be returned to IEEE Editors.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

18. TSN White Paper
Updated document r15 uploaded to Mentor following July meeting.
TAG completed review
Accept revisions, clean up comments, and post with new doc number sgtg.
Start Comment Collection on reflector for November.
Call For Comments on Reflector
Plan to finish in November
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. 2019 Planning
A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards g and ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in TG.
Can this also include applying s in sub-1GHz spectrum?
white paper on IoT and P2413
P2413 entering Sponsor Ballot
Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of w, x, y
Nendica – TBD provide contributions to Nendica reports or separate white paper?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Get SEPA wireless matrix latest version, plan to address comments from David Cypher in November
Return PSCC TF S6 with our comments
Start comment collection on TSN white paper
Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI