1. CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011
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November 2011
November 2011
CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011
Date: 2011-November-09
Authors:
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5488 Marvell Lane,
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Bruce Kraemer
Marvell
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Abstract: CWPAN opportunity discussion – November 2011
Slide 1
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
Bruce Kraemer (Marvell)

2. Potential Agreement between IEEE 802.11 and CWPAN Presented by
November 2011
Potential Agreement between
IEEE and CWPAN
Presented by
Bruce Kraemer
Marvell Semiconductor
Chair
V01
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

3. November 2011
Background
CWPAN wishes to modify the 11ad specification in ways that were not known of by 11ad during its development including such items as China specific spectrum allocations and channelization.
We will refer to the proposed enhanced specification as CWPANad.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 3

4. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
IEEE SA and IEEE is very interested in helping CWPAN implement their desired extensions as a complement to ad.
It appears that some adjustments to procedures within both organizations could lead to a satisfactory arrangement.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 4

5. November 2011
11ad Investment
The participants in the 11ad activities have invested ~50k man hours in the development of the specification.
The ad project is relatively mature and is expected to be completed by the working group in October 2011 then enter sponsor ballot and be published in the fall of 2012.
The community wants to proceed to commercial product launch and will be extremely reluctant to expand the project scope thereby delaying the project completion date.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 5

6. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
The community requires that the integrity of the , and ad standards be maintained.
The community requires all of its amendments, although developed as independent projects, be mutually compatible and also compatible with the base standard.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 6

7. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
CWPAN has not yet presented a comprehensive or detailed list of proposed modifications.
However,
CWPAN might wish to make modifications that cause some CWPANad modes of operation to be non-interoperable with certain modes of operation as defined within the 11ad specification.
11ad needs to reserve the option to suggest modifications to the CWPAN requests that would preserve interoperability and minimize interference.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 7

8. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
The 11ad drafts are available to all members of and to all attendees of meetings.
Hence, some, but not all members of CWPAN have direct access to drafts.
There is a similar problem in obtaining CWPAN information.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 8

9. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
In consideration of, and in addition to, items previously mentioned, the community believes that the best way to undertake a modification is to open a new project.
This means a new study group, new PAR, new Task Group, new amendment project.
Lets refer to the project as CWPANad.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 9

10. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
can reach an agreement to provide copies of drafts for all CWPAN members.
Can CWPAN provide equivalent access?
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 10

11. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
It is envisioned that a new amendment project could be
chaired by a CWPAN principle (such as Xiaoming Peng, Liang Li)
with the recognition and acceptance of the arrangements by CESI.
For the CWPANad project and it’s interested participants maintaining voting rights in the working group will represent a challenge that needs further thought.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 11

12. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
Currently all IEEE 802 projects are established with individual voting members.
There are entity projects within other Standards Association projects but none within 802.
802 very strongly desires to maintain the individual member voting approach.
CWPAN uses entity voting in its process now.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 12

13. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
Among various voting options to consider ….
CWPANad interim meetings could be convened in Beijing or other suitable Asian location.
CWPANad voting rights could be maintained on attendance of CWPANad meetings only
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14. Principles of an Agreement
November 2011
Principles of an Agreement
Or perhaps
CWPAN and IEEE could agree to provide each other balloting rights.
Under this arrangement, CWPANad TG will acknowledge a CWPAN liaison as a single voter, representing the CWPAN interests, on its ballots, and consider its ballot comments and provide considered comment resolutions and CWPAN would acknowledge
The ad liaison would similarly be regarded as a voting entity on the CWPAN ballots. CWPAN consider its ballot comments and provide considered comment resolutions.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell 14

15. CWPAN Response to IEEE 802.11 Proposal
November 2011
CWPAN Response to IEEE Proposal
Oct 26, 2011
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16. Background
November 2011
Dr. Bruce Kraemer, Chair of IEEE , made a proposal on the collaboration between CWPAN and IEEE during the 2nd joint meeting on Sept 27, 2011 in Beijing
CWPAN gives response to the above proposal in this presentation slide
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17. Response 1 [CWPAN response]:
November 2011
[Context in IEEE Proposal in Slide 7 & 10]
In consideration of, and in addition to, items previously mentioned, the community believes that the best way to undertake a modification is to open a new project.
This means a new study group, new PAR, new Task Group, new amendment project.
Lets refer to the project as CWPANad.
It is envisioned that a new amendment project could be chaired by a CWPAN principle with the recognition and acceptance of the arrangements by CESI.
[CWPAN response]:
Yes, we fully agree. We can start to discuss the details of creating and operating the new study group, new PAR and new Task Group, to amend or define the mmWave standard for China
Yes, we agree that the new amendment project could be chaired by a CWPAN principle
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

18. Response 1 - information
November 2011
Response 1 - information
Eldad has offered to serve as a vice-chair of CWPANad.
Bruce, Jon, and Adrian have volunteered to rotate attendance at Asian CWPANad meetings.
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

19. Response 2 [Context in IEEE 802.11 proposal in Slide 8]
November 2011
[Context in IEEE proposal in Slide 8]
can reach an agreement to provide copies of drafts for all CWPAN members.
Can CWPAN provide equivalent access?
[CWPAN response]:
CWPAN is willing to open its PG4 (60GHz) specification draft in Chinese to IEEE members through the existing liaison channel
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

20. Response 3 (1/2) Among various voting options to consider ….
November 2011
[Context in IEEE proposal in slide 12]
Among various voting options to consider ….
CWPANad interim meetings could be convened in Beijing or other suitable Asian location.
CWPANad voting rights could be maintained on attendance of CWPANad meetings only
[CWPAN response]:
Meeting arrangement：
It is agreed that CWPANad interim meetings (three meetings per year in January, May and September) are convened in China (Beijing or other cities) or other suitable Asian location.
It is agreed that CWPANad plenary meetings (three meetings per year in March, July and November) are convened in the same place as other task groups
Detailed discussion needs to be done on the arrangement of the meetings fees and registration fees for the above mentioned three interim meetings
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

21. Response 3 (2/2) November 2011 [CWPAN response]:
Voting right of CWPANad：
CWPAN agreed the principle of maintaining the voting rights of CWPANad on attendance of CWPANad meetings only
[Obtaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who attend three CWPANad meetings per year including at least one CWPANad interim meeting will obtain the voting rights of CWPANad
[Maintaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who has obtained the voting right of CWPANad, needs to attend two CWPANad meetings including at least one CWPANad interim meeting to maintain the voting right.
[Note 1]: Voting right of CWPANad is not equivalent to the voting right of IEEE To obtain the voting right of IEEE , it needs to follow the existing regulation
[Note 2]: We expect CWPANad participants to attend at least one CWPANad interim meeting per year to ensure enough communication and better understanding with Chinese participants
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

22. November 2011
Summary And Plan
There is a skeleton agreement on a plan for opening a new amendment that would be mutually acceptable to CWPAN and IEEE
Some of the details regarding the operation of the Task Group require work.
The IEEE SA staff and officers are aware of the project proposal and support it.
IEEE SA has recently signed an MOU with CCSA.
It is requested that TGad help refine the proposal
It is requested that TGad support a study group request
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

23. November 2011
Straw Poll
Do you support the formation of a study group to establish a forum for developing the procedural framework, clarifying the technical goals and developing a PAR and 5C documents focused on CWPAN extensions to 11ad ?
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell