1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
March 2017 Meeting
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
34 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Monday PM2
Tuesday PM2
Wednesday PM2 (2nd hour to join with TSN)
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Agenda - March 2017, Vancouver, BC, Canada 1
Monday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve January TAG minutes
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Web Page content update, and relationship with Industry Connections 30
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:50 PM
1.7
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Lynch/Kennedy 10
1.8
Updating SGIP PAP2 Wireless Matrix sgtg
5:00 PM
1.9
Recess
5:30 PM 2
Tuesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order
DiMinico
2.2
IoT Task Group business
2.3
Liaison Coordinator's Report
Diab 20
2.4
P2413 Liaison Report
Winkel
2.5
Review and plan IoT white paper development 45
4:40 PM
2.6
5:25 PM 3
Wednesday PM2 session
3.1
3.2
Liaison Report from P2030.5
Heile
3.3
closing - action items, plans
3.4
Move to TSN room
3.5
Meet with TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization
Godfrey / Parsons 60
4:30 PM
3.6
Adjourn
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6. Monday: 802.24 TAG Approve January minutes TAG Action Items:
TAG Action Items:
Tim will post reminder for contribution on IoT to reflector
Done
Ludwig will post Word version r1
Done – r0
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7. Web Page Review http://www.ieee802.org/24/
How can we make the page more informative and useful?
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8. Industry Connections Process
IEEE-SA has created an Industry Connections activity, with an initiation process:
ICAID: Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document
References
Tutorial on IC in 802 by John D’Ambrosia
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9. Discussion points
has been asked to consider how its work relates to Industry Connections:
Should there be a relationship between and Industry Connections?
Formal or informal?
Is there a benefit for broader connection and exposure within IEEE-SA?
Could IC help our projects with better coordination?
Notes:
IC appears to have started in 2013 or 2014, but 802 was not involved until recently
The ICCom has 4 meetings per year.
Options:
When we initiate a new project, consider whether to engage with IC.
Regularly examine (or liaison with) IC Committee to determine if we want to be involved with any existing IC activities.
Discussion
Could we expand the scope or add to existing IC projects? Specifically providing 802-specific input.
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10. Publicizing White Paper Releases
Press Releases
Standards association newsletter
External press releases
Emulate what 802.1, are doing
External publications, conferences, etc
Liaison reports to WGs
Include relevant details from external liaisons
Expand liaisons to and 802.3
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11. Monday
Smart Grid TG
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12. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
No regulatory items related to currently known.
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13. Update of PAP2 Wireless Matrix
History:
Latest version r1
SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update
will provide updated data for 802 standards
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14. Update Plan Owners for updating (in coordination with WGs)
column
Tim Godfrey, Harry Bims.
Remove 16m (done)
Add 16s (done)
802.11ah
Yongho delegated to Alfred Asterjadhi (column provided and added)
Question identified about spectrum efficiency of 11ac to be investigated (TBD)
column (Ruben Salazar)
Done
– Column received from Apurva incorporated into r2
Open Issues:
Average uplink cell spectral efficiency Mbps/Hz ( values,
Should it be N/A because it is not sector/cell based.
Action to coordinate with to find answers.
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15. Notes on Editing
Y23: Need to determine spectral efficiency and formula
Open Issues:
Average uplink cell spectral efficiency Mbps/Hz ( values)
Should it be N/A because it is not sector/cell based.
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16. Tuesday IoT TG
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17. Discussion on 802.15 IG DEP Explore collaboration with 802.3
Consider Licensed spectrum.
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18. Monday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report
Wael Diab
Not Available
IIC Liaison Report
Any new liaison requests
Request to explore liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Group.
will initiate the liaison request
(Action Wael)
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19. 802.24.2 P2413 Liaison Report Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper
Ludwig Winkel
Working as fast as possible on “thin draft”
In WG Review currently. Decision in next meeting late March.
April to June - circulate document to liaison partners before publishing
When this become available, will notify members on the reflector.
Not decided if it will be published as draft or edition 1.
We will plan on more in-depth discussion in Berlin.
To harmonize IEEE work with other bodies – ISO IEC JTC1 new SC 41.
Action – plan additional slot for 24.2 in Berlin to discuss the P2413 draft.
Invite automotive tutorial team to participate.
Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper
Can be use to explain to the 802 community how 802 fits into the overall IoT architecture
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20. 802.24.2 Review and plan IoT white paper development
Chris DiMinico
Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft r1
No updates since November
Call for text contributions from members for this draft.
Add a section to identify target markets and use cases (at high level), and map them to other standards/organizations, and to the relevant 802 standards.
Also include IEC work in TSN profiles for industrial automation, and TC 65 (smart manufacturing) and TC 57 for utilities. Coordinate with TSN white paper. Profiles to improve compatibility – select the necessary functionality from amendments in multiple application domains.
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21. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG
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22. Wednesday Items P2030.5 Liaison Update (Bob Heile)
Sponsor Pool forming
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23. White paper on TSN
Ethernet operation to provide time bounded or deterministic services.
How can this be applied in utility applications?
Substation networks
Interconnection between LAN and WAN
The requirement comes from specific applications:
Starting point was Audio/Video, and industrial automation, and now entering automotive
Now the TSN capability is application agnostic
Automotive is an emerging application – replace CAN, Flexray, etc.
There is also ring topology for redundancy
Questions:
Is utility protection application considered for TSN?
Today there is some use of proprietary real-time Ethernet variants.
GOOSE protocols
Synchrophasor applications
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24. Plans for TSN white paper
IEC TC 57 Collaboration
TSN specified in through IEC
IPV6 is also being adopted into 61850
OPC Foundation, ODBA are adopting TSN (and also use 61850)
IEC TC57 is developing profiles for use of TSN.
Profiles for application domains.
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25. Outline of TSN white paper
Captured as r0
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26. Development
Text contributions to the outline were requested by reflector
Review any contributions
Continue call for contributions
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27. 802.24 TAG closing Capture action Items from this meeting
Wael: Initiate Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT TG
Tim– plan additional meeting slot for 24.2 in Berlin to discuss the P2413 draft. Invite automotive tutorial team to participate.
Tim: Wireless Matrix: Coordinate with to find spectral efficiency details
Any New Business?
Adjourn to TSN (17:00)
Saturna Island Room, Discovery Floor, Fairmont Hotel
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29. Future Opportunities Tracking (1)
white paper on IoT and P2413?
Maybe more towards completion of P2413?
Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards.
Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards.
(status as of March 2017 – wait until Thin Draft is available)
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30. Future Opportunities Tracking (2)
ULI
Eventually, we can explain how it relates to the rest of 802, and better integration. Well defined ways of integrating.
Take this up when there is a draft
s SMR – spectrum management resources
Can provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT?
IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy
ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems
ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.
Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS
Coordinate with (TBD – check with Apurva)
Action Plan:
Coordinate with ULI initiative
4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used
Status – March 2017 – preparing for sponsor ballot
White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.
Including use of metrics for management.
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31. Future Opportunities Tracking (3)
Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to ?
Useful Output: Identify the use cases that the standards serve, and provide them to the industry.
That can then define who is an appropriate liaison
Need to educate and inform liaisons to gather needs and requirements with respect to IEEE 802 projects. Identify the tools we have available, and present the available toolbox.
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32. Other Future Opportunities
Monitor the LPWAN IG in to see where it goes (and links to IETF)
Report will outline use cases and technologies, and gaps. May form a SG
TBD what the cross-WG aspect is. There may need to be even narrower band PHYs
24.1 should analyze the low-power utility use cases and application of LPWAN.
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33. Others
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