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TGn Chairs’ Report Jacksonville, FL, US 802 Interim – 12-16 May ‘08
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn Chairs’ Report Jacksonville, FL, US 802 Interim – May ‘08 Date: Authors: Name Company Address Phone 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 +1 (321) Bruce Kraemer Marvell marvell .com Sheung Li SiBEAM +1 (408) 555 Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale, CA 94085 Adrian Stephens Intel Corporation 15 JJ Thompson +1 (503) intel.com Avenue, Cambridge, CB3 0FD, UK Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Primary Meeting Documents
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Primary Meeting Documents Chair’s Opening Report r0 Chair’s Closing Report r0 Meeting Minutes r0 Editor’s Report r0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Welcome to the Hyatt Regency Jacksonville Riverfront May The 109th Session and The 29th TGn Session TGn Meeting rooms Mon Tue Wed Thu Grand 4 (250) Grand 2 (80) Grand 3 (50) Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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http://newton.events.ieee.org Register Indicate attendance Attendance
May 2008 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Attendance, Voting & Document Status
May 2008 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Current Policies May 2008 Policies and Procedures:
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Current Policies Policies and Procedures: IEEE Patent Policy - Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board perations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
May 2008 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 Question Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 TGn Minutes Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Minutes of March ’08 11-08-0371r1
May 2008 TGn Minutes of March ’ r1 Executive Summary (also see Chairs’ meeting doc r4 and closing report doc r0): Resolved all remaining comments (190) in LB115 in 19 motions Approved requesting a recirculation LB on D4.0 which now stands at 547 pages The timeline changed to show sponsor ballot pool formation beginning in July ‘08 There will be no ad hoc meetings prior to the May interim meeting There will be ad hoc teleconferences starting April 16 at 11:00 AM EDT with additional teleconferences TBD The .11n leadership elections will be held at the May interim meeting; all of the incumbents stated they would be willing to carry on for another year Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Approve Minutes Motion to approve Mar ‘08 (Orlando) TGn minutes as contained in r1 Move: n/a Second: n/a No objections, accepted unanimously Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting
May 2008 TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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One Page History of TGn May 2008
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 One Page History of TGn HTSG formed – First meeting (Sep-11-’02 Monterey) TGn formed – First meeting (Sep-15-’03 Singapore) Began call for proposals (May 17 ’04 Garden Grove) 32 First round presentations (Sep 13 ’04 Berlin) Down selected to one proposal (Mar ’05 Atlanta) –first confirm vote failed Confirmation vote #2 failed - reset to 3 proposals -left the May ‘05 meeting with a serious deadlock. (Cairns) 3 proposal groups agreed to a joint proposal activity (Jul ’05 San Francisco) JP proposal accepted by vote of 184/0/4, editor instructed to create draft (Jan ’06 Waikoloa) Baseline specification converted into Draft 1.0 (335p). Letter ballot issued (LB84) March 20, ’06 (Denver) and closed on April 29, ‘06 (failed) Draft 1.0 Comment resolution begins (May ’06 Jacksonville) Approved 6711 editorial and 1041 technical resolutions; Created Draft (Jul ’06 San Diego) Approved 568 technical resolutions (Sep ’06 Melbourne); Created Draft 1.06 (388p) Approved 703 technical resolutions (Nov ’06 Dallas); Created Draft 1.09 (444p) Approved 496 technical resolutions (Jan ’07 London); created D (500p); went to WG letter ballot Feb 7, ’07 with D 2.0; closed March 9, ’07 LB97 on TGn D2.0 passed with 83.4% approval. (Mar ’07 Orlando) Began comment resolution on with target of Draft 3.0 completion and release to ballot in Sep ’07. Approved 1470 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Also approved 450 technical comment resolutions. (May 07 Montreal) Cumulative insertion of resolutions contained in TGn draft (494p) Approved 750 technical resolutions and approved TGn draft (July 07 San Francisco) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (498p) Approved 507 technical resolutions and approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 3.0 (544p). (Sep 07 Waikoloa) Recirculation passed. Approved 282 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Approved 97 technical resolutions. (Nov 07 Atlanta) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (558p) Approved 313 technical comment resolutions (Jan ‘08 Taipei). Cumulative approved comments now in D3.03. Additional ad hoc comment resolutions contained in speculative edits D3.04, D3.05, D3.06. Approved 190 technical comment resolutions (Mar ’08 Orlando). Approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 4.0 (547p). Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Passed with 253Approve, 34 Not Approve, 25 Abstain
May 2008 LB124 on TGn D4.0 15 day Recirculation ballot closed on April 12 Passed with 253Approve, 34 Not Approve, 25 Abstain 196 Technical, 153 Editorial (349 Total) Comments Editor has posted a speculative D4.01 based on resolutions in r0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Ad Hoc Organization
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn Ad Hoc Organization Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader In Jacksonville Interim? PHY Vinko Erceg Yes MAC Matt Fischer Coexistence Eldad Perahia General Joe Levy Beamforming & Adaptation John Ketchum Joonsuk Kim No TGn Bruce Kraemer Editorial Adrian Stephens CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Comment Spreadsheets P May 2008 Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader Spreadsheet
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Comment Spreadsheets P Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader Spreadsheet file # Rev # Report Composite TG r1 MAC Matt Fischer Coexistence Eldad Perahia PHY Vinko Erceg Beamforming & Adaptation John Ketchum Joonsuk Kim r2 r0 General Joe Levy Editorial Adrian Stephens TGn all Bruce Kraemer CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn Teleconference Plan
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn Teleconference Plan Call time: 11:00 – 13:00 ET Call number: Wednesday Blocking events Ad hoc group Meeting chair Bridge # Passcode May 14 Interim May 21 May 28 June 04 June 11 June 18 June 25 July 02 July 09 July 16 Plenary Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 TGn Document History Mar ‘06 Jul ‘06 Sep ‘06 Nov ‘06 Jan ‘07 1.0 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 LB 84 Comment Resolution Feb ‘07 May ‘07 July ‘07 Sep ‘07 2.0 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 95 LB 97 Comment Resolution Oct ‘07 Nov ‘07 Dec ‘07 Feb ‘08 Mar ‘08 Mar ‘08 Mar ‘08 Mar ‘08 3.0 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 115 Comment Resolution Apr ‘08 May ‘08 4.0 4.01 124 CR Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Draft Page History May 2008 4.01 4.0 3.0 2.0 1.0
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Voting & History Balloted Draft comments unique unique tech D1.0
May 2008 TGn Voting & History Balloted Draft comments unique unique tech D1.0 12400 6400 3124 D2.0 3171 3076 1594 D3.0 906 881 602 D4.0 349 348 195 D5.0 200 180 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Document History Ballot authorization Ballot close
May 2008 TGn Document History Ballot authorization Ballot close Apr 2 9 ‘06 Jan 19 ‘07 LB 84 D1.0 Comment Resolution days Mar 09 ‘07 Sep 21 ‘07 95 LB 97 D2.0 Comment Resolution days Oct 27 ‘07 Mar 21 ‘08 115 D3.0 Comment Resolution 146 days Apr 12 ‘08 Jul 18 ‘08 124 D days Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Resolution History
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Ballot Authorization date Ballot close date TGn Resolution History Apr 2 9 ‘06 Jan 19 ‘07 LB 84 D1.0 Comment Resolution days Mar 09 ‘07 Sep 21 ‘07 11.8/day 8.1/day 95 LB 97 D2.0 Comment Resolution days Oct 27 ‘07 Mar 21 ‘08 115 D3.0 Comment Resolution 146 days 4.1/day Apr 12 ‘08 Jul 18 ‘08 3.1/day 124 D days Unique Technical Comment Resolution Rate CIDs/day Aug 05 ‘08 Sep 12 ‘08 4.7/day 13x D days Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 May TGn Agenda Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 May WG11 Agenda am1 am2 pm1 pm2 eve Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn – May ‘08 Schedule May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday Tuesday
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn – May ‘08 Schedule May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X TGn 1 14 20 am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1, 2 8 lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn 2 10 16 22 pm 2 16:00-18:00 4 18 24 eve 19:30-21:30 6 12 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn – May ‘08 Schedule May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday Tuesday
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn – May ‘08 Schedule May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X TGn 1 MAC am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1, 2 COEX GEN lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn 2 PHY pm 2 16:00-18:00 18 24 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution General Order – TGn Full with topics introduced by ad hoc where appropriate, consider reverting to ad hoc when full business complete Monday – TGn summary, ad hoc status and comment resolution discussions Strawpolls if useful Tuesday – Discussion and Votes Wednesday – Discussion and Votes, Discussion of DOS (30mins) Thursday - Voting on prepared comment resolutions Timeline review Plans Teleconferences Approval of ad hoc in Denver during July ‘08 Any other Business for the agenda? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 Approve Agenda Motion to approve May ’08 TGn agenda as contained on slide (with any minuted amendments). Move: n/a Second: n/a No objections, accepted unanimously Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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802.11 P&P – TG Elections (11-07-0360r4)
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 P&P – TG Elections ( r4) 3.2 Task Group Chair The TG Chair shall be appointed by the WG Chair and confirmed by a WG majority approval. The TG Chair is re-affirmed every 2 years: one session after the WG Chair is elected. The TG Chair is required to confirm that the function of secretary is performed for each TG meeting. TG meetings are not allowed to function without a secretary. 3.3 Task Group Vice-Chair TG Vice-Chair is elected by a WG majority approval. The TG Vice-Chair is reaffirmed every 2 years; one session after the WG Chair is elected. 3.4 Task Group Secretary The TG Secretary shall be appointed by the TG Chair and confirmed by a TG motion that is approved with a minimum 50% majority. The TG Secretary is re-affirmed every 2 years; one session after the WG Chair is elected. The minutes of meetings taken by the Secretary (or designee) are to be provided to the TG Chair in time to be available to the WG Chair for publication one week after close of the session. The minutes of the meeting are to include documents produced by the voting process and document list. See IEEE® Standards Companion for details on content and form of minutes. 3.5 Task Group Technical Editor The TG Technical Editor shall be appointed by the TG Chair and confirmed by a TG majority approval. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Current Officers The following are currently Officers of TGn
May 2008 Current Officers The following are currently Officers of TGn TGn Chair: Bruce Kraemer TGn Vice Chair: Sheung Li Technical Editor: Adrian Stephens Secretary: Additional nominations? None, so nominations closed Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Officer Motion Moved, to re-affirm the following Officers and to adopt the recommendation below for TGn chair: Secretary, xxx Technical Editor, re-affirm: Adrian Stephens Vice Chair, re-affirm: Sheung Li TGn Chair, Recommendation to WG : Bruce Kraemer Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Technical Editor’s Report 11-08-0506r0 Ad hoc reports
May 2008 Technical Editor’s Report r0 Ad hoc reports Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Thursday topics Plans from May to July Time Line Ad hoc meeting Teleconferences Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Currently Published Date
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Timeline Events Event Name Currently Published Date Actual Predicted PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Recirculation Sponsor Ballot Nov ‘08 Final WG Approval Mar ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Jun ‘09 Publication Jul ‘09 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn Teleconference Plan
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn Teleconference Plan Call time: 11:00 – 13:00 ET Call number: Wednesday Blocking events Ad hoc group Meeting chair Bridge # Passcode May 14 Interim May 21 5 May 28 June 04 June 11 June 18 June 25 July 02 July 09 July 16 Plenary Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Ad hoc in July 2008 Request authorization for TGn to hold an ad hoc
May 2008 Ad hoc in July 2008 Request authorization for TGn to hold an ad hoc on Dates TBD in Denver, CO, US with the venue of choice being the 802 Plenary conference hotel (Hyatt Regency Denver) for the purpose of resolving comments received during LB124 on Draft 4.0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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End of Chair's Opening Report
May 2008 End of Chair's Opening Report Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 ad hoc Reports Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Any other business? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Recess Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Wednesday pm2 update
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn Wednesday pm2 update Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn – May ‘08 Schedule ? May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 TGn – May ‘08 Schedule ? May 12 May 13 May 14 May 15 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X TGn 1 MAC am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1, 2 COEX GEN Grand 2 ?? lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn 2 PHY pm 2 16:00-18:00 18 24 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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May 2008 Social – Wednesday Eve Social is on Wednesday at the River City Brewing Company starting at 6:30 pm (buses start loading on Newman Street at 6pm). We have made arrangements to include at no extra charge from 6:30 to 7:30 pm: Ice Tea, Coffee, Soda, Bottled Water, House Wine, Handcrafted Ales, Bottled Beers (domestic & imports) Cash bar for the above items after 7:30pm. Attendees must wear their name badge. Guest badges are available at the registration desk. Walking instructions are available at the registration desk. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Comment Spreadsheets May 2008 Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader Spreadsheet
doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Comment Spreadsheets Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader Spreadsheet file # Rev # Report Composite TG r1 MAC Matt Fischer r3 Coexistence Eldad Perahia r2 PHY Vinko Erceg xls doc Beamforming & Adaptation John Ketchum Joonsuk Kim General Joe Levy Editorial Adrian Stephens r0 TGn all Bruce Kraemer CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Resolution Spreadsheet
May 2008 doc.: IEEE /0503r2 May 2008 Wednesday Motions ? Ad hoc Motions CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report Doc Beam 1 474r3 495r2 Coex 3 466r2 516r2 Gen 10 601r2 PHY 25 475 r1 509r2 MAC 511r3 510r3 Editor TGn Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Any other TGn Full business? Convert to ad hoc
May 2008 Other Any other TGn Full business? Convert to ad hoc Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May 2008 Recess Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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