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TGn Chairs’ Report Denver, CO, US 802 Plenary – 14-18 July ‘08
doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 TGn Chairs’ Report Denver, CO, US 802 Plenary – July ‘08 Date: Authors: Name Company Address Phone 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 +1 (321) Bruce Kraemer Marvell marvell .com Sheung Li SiBEAM +1 (408) 555 Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale, CA 94085 Adrian Stephens Intel Corporation 15 JJ Thompson +1 (503) intel.com Avenue, Cambridge, CB3 0FD, UK Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Primary Meeting Documents
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Primary Meeting Documents Chair’s Opening Report r0 Chair’s Closing Report r0 Meeting Minutes r0 Editor’s Reports r1 n-tgn-lb129-composite-comments.xls n-tgn-lb129-editor-comments.xls Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Welcome to the Hyatt Regency Denver July The 110th Session and The 30th TGn Session TGn Meeting rooms Mon Tue Wed Thu Capital 1+2 (150) Capital 1 (80) Capital 2 (70) Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Register Indicate attendance Attendance
July 2008 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Attendance, Voting & Document Status
July 2008 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Current Policies July 2008 Policies and Procedures:
doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Current Policies Policies and Procedures: IEEE Patent Policy - Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
July 2008 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Question Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 TGn Minutes Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 TGn Minutes of May ’ r1 Executive Summary (also see Chairs’ meeting doc r0 and closing report doc r0): Draft 4.0 passed recirculation ballot LB124 with 253 approve, 34 not approve, 25 abstain All 349 comments from LB124 were resolved The task group requested that the working group issue a recirculation ballot on D5.0 based on the approved resolutions There were no further modifications of the timeline from the changes made in the March 2008 meeting The task group is targeting July for an ad hoc meeting to resolve comments from the recirculation ballot on D5.0. The details will be finalized during the previously approved teleconference calls. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 Approve Minutes Motion to approve May ‘08 (Jacksonville) TGn minutes as contained in r1 Move: Second: Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting
July 2008 TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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One Page History of TGn July 2008
doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 One Page History of TGn HTSG formed – First meeting (Sep-11-’02 Monterey) TGn formed – First meeting (Sep-15-’03 Singapore) Began call for proposals (May 17 ’04 Garden Grove) 32 First round presentations (Sep 13 ’04 Berlin) Down selected to one proposal (Mar ’05 Atlanta) –first confirm vote failed Confirmation vote #2 failed - reset to 3 proposals -left the May ‘05 meeting with a serious deadlock. (Cairns) 3 proposal groups agreed to a joint proposal activity (Jul ’05 San Francisco) JP proposal accepted by vote of 184/0/4, editor instructed to create draft (Jan ’06 Waikoloa) Baseline specification converted into Draft 1.0 (335p). Letter ballot issued (LB84) March 20, ’06 (Denver) and closed on April 29, ‘06 (failed) Draft 1.0 Comment resolution begins (May ’06 Jacksonville) Approved 6711 editorial and 1041 technical resolutions; Created Draft (Jul ’06 San Diego) Approved 568 technical resolutions (Sep ’06 Melbourne); Created Draft 1.06 (388p) Approved 703 technical resolutions (Nov ’06 Dallas); Created Draft 1.09 (444p) Approved 496 technical resolutions (Jan ’07 London); created D (500p); went to WG letter ballot Feb 7, ’07 with D 2.0; closed March 9, ’07 LB97 on TGn D2.0 passed with 83.4% approval. (Mar ’07 Orlando) Began comment resolution on with target of Draft 3.0 completion and release to ballot in Sep ’07. Approved 1470 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Also approved 450 technical comment resolutions. (May 07 Montreal) Cumulative insertion of resolutions contained in TGn draft (494p) Approved 750 technical resolutions and approved TGn draft (July 07 San Francisco) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (498p) Approved 507 technical resolutions and approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 3.0 (544p). (Sep 07 Waikoloa) Recirculation passed. Approved 282 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Approved 97 technical resolutions. (Nov 07 Atlanta) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (558p) Approved 313 technical comment resolutions (Jan ‘08 Taipei). Cumulative approved comments now in D3.03. Additional ad hoc comment resolutions contained in speculative edits D3.04, D3.05, D3.06. Approved 190 technical comment resolutions (Mar ’08 Orlando). Approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 4.0 (547p). Approved 349 comment resolutions (May ’08 Jacksonville). Approved recirculation ballot (LB129) for TGn draft 5.0 (547p). Ballot closed June 12 with 1112 comments. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Passed with 261Approve, 29 Not Approve, 23 Abstain
July 2008 LB129 on TGn D5.0 20 day Recirculation ballot closed on June 12 Passed with 261Approve, 29 Not Approve, 23 Abstain 539 Technical, 573 Editorial (1112 Total) Comments 539 Technical split Beam 26 Coex 146 PHY 83 Gen Misc 126 MAC 100 Editor has posted a speculative D5.01 based on resolutions in r0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn LB129 Technical Comment Distribution
July 2008 TGn LB129 Technical Comment Distribution Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Ad Hoc Organization
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 TGn Ad Hoc Organization Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader In Denver ad hoc? In Denver plenary? PHY Vinko Erceg Yes MAC Matt Fischer Coexistence Eldad Perahia General Joe Levy No Beamforming & Adaptation John Ketchum Joonsuk Kim TGn Bruce Kraemer Editorial Adrian Stephens CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 July TGn Agenda Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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WG11 – Jul ‘08 Schedule am1 am2 pm1 pm2 July 2008
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution General Order – TGn Full with topics introduced by ad hoc where appropriate, consider reverting to ad hoc when full business complete Monday – TGn summary, ad hoc status and comment resolution discussions Editor Motions Tuesday – Discussion and Votes Wednesday – Discussion and Votes Thursday - Voting on prepared comment resolutions Timeline review Plans Teleconferences Approval of ad hoc in Hawaii during September ‘08 Any other Business for the agenda? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn – Jul ‘08 Schedule Jul 14 Jul 15 Jul 16 Jul 17 Time Monday Tuesday
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 TGn – Jul ‘08 Schedule Jul 14 Jul 15 Jul 16 Jul 17 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X TGn 1 CAP 2 Full TGn am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1+2 CAP 1 lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 pm 2 16:00-18:00 CAP 1+2 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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CAP = Capitol (4th floor)
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 CAP = Capitol (4th floor) TGn – Jul ‘08 Schedule Jul 14 Jul 15 Jul 16 Jul 17 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 TGn 1 GEN CAP 2 TGn 1 Gen Full TGn (GEN + MAC) CAP 2 am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1+2 PHY CAP 1 MAC CAP 2 X lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn PHY MAC CAP 1 TGn 1 COEX 40 in 2.4 CCA, GF pm 2 16:00-18:00 Opening + intro CAP 1+2 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Approve Agenda Motion to approve July ’08 TGn agenda as contained on slide (with any minuted amendments). Move: Second: Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 Thursday topics Plans from May to July Time Line Ad hoc meeting Teleconferences Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Currently Published Date
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Timeline Events Event Name Currently Published Date Actual Predicted PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Recirculation Sponsor Ballot Nov ‘08 Final WG Approval Mar ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Jun ‘09 Publication Jul ‘09 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn Teleconference Plan
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 TGn Teleconference Plan Call time: 11:00 – 13:00 ET Call number: Wednesday Blocking events Ad hoc group Meeting chair Bridge # Passcode July 16 Plenary Sep 23 Interim Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Ad hoc in September 2008 Request authorization for TGn to hold an ad hoc on Dates TBD in Hawaii, US with the venue of choice being the 802 Interim conference hotel (Hilton Waikoloa) for the purpose of resolving comments received during LB1xx on Draft 6.0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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End of Chair's Opening Report
July 2008 End of Chair's Opening Report Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Technical Editor Report 792r1
July 2008 Technical Editor Report 792r1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 ad hoc Reports Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 Any other business? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2008 Recess Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Tuesday pm1 update July 2008 July 2008 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/0748r2
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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Tuesday Agenda Outline
July 2008 Tuesday Agenda Outline Motions on comment resolutions prepared by ad hocs Task Group discussion topics Convert meeting to ad hoc to prepare resolutions PHY MAC Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Resolution Spreadsheet
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 Tuesday Motions Ad hoc Motions CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report Doc Beam Coex Gen PHY MAC Editor Draft 5.02 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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CAP = Capitol (4th floor)
July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r2 July 2008 CAP = Capitol (4th floor) TGn – Jul ‘08 Schedule Jul 14 Jul 15 Jul 16 Jul 17 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 TGn 1 GEN CAP 2 TGn 1 Gen Full TGn (GEN + MAC) CAP 2 am 2 10:30-12:30 TGn 1+2 PHY CAP 1 MAC CAP 2 X lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 Full TGn PHY MAC CAP 1 TGn 1 COEX 40 in 2.4 CCA, GF pm 2 16:00-18:00 Opening + intro CAP 1+2 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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July 2008 Recess Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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