1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
November 2017 Meeting
Orlando, FL, USA
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
34 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Monday PM
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM :00 with , 5: TSN
Manual attendance tracking for & members
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3. Wednesday PM2 session First hour with 802.19, 2nd hour with 802.1 TSN
Agenda – r1 1
Monday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve September TAG minutes
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Smart Grid Task Group
4:20 PM
1.6
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb 15
1.7
IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities Committee - Smart Grid Meter Survey and other activities
4:35 PM
1.8
Release SGIP PAP2 Wireless Matrix sgtg 10
4:50 PM
1.9
Review IEEE Edits of sub-1GHz white paper
5:00 PM
1.10
Review and editing contributions on TSN White Paper 30
5:15 PM
1.11
Recess
5:45 PM 2
Tuesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order
DiMinico
2.2
IoT Task Group business
2.3
Liaison Coordinator's Report
Diab
2.4
Update and Review of P2413 Draft (deferred from July)
Winkel 45
4:30 PM
2.5
Status and Review of IoT white paper development
2.6 3
Wednesday PM2 session First hour with , 2nd hour with TSN
3.1
3.2
Joint meeting with on ah and g (SUN) coexistence
Godfrey / Shellhammer 60
Meet with TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization
Godfrey / Farkos
3.3
6:00 PM
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7. Monday: 802.24 TAG Approve September minutes
TAG Action Items from July / September:
Plan TSN teleconference (October)
Did not happen – pick up at this meeting
Coordinate with Wael on Wi-Fi Alliance Liaison
Review IoT MSTG Use Case Document (Henry Chiarelli)
Set up Private Area for exchanging documents under Liaison (done)
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

8. Coordination with Industry Connections:
Regularly examine (or liaison with) IC Committee to determine if we want to be involved with any existing IC activities.
Plan of action: Check in by regularly (before plenary meetings) on status with the IC Committee
Ongoing Activity: IEEE 802 Network Enhancements Industry Connections Activity
Tuesday 7:30pm
New IC Activity in Orlando:
None known
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9. Monday
Smart Grid TG
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10. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
From September: FCC NOI
FCC stated goal is to promote flexible use of spectrum
Part of subject bands may be in use by utilities for smart grid applications now
Input requested: participate in to shape 802 response
Any follow-up action for ?
NOI for 3.6 is past now made an FCC submission.
We need to hear from – what is the scope and intent of our contribution?
Separate filings from and
No action required from
Follow up on engagement in FCC TAC Technical Advisory Committee
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11. IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities Committee
Purpose:
“Within the IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities  Committee, we are writing a White paper on smart metering. The focus of this white paper will be on the deployed comms standards, from power line, to wireless cellular to meshed networking to whatever…”
Ongoing calls series on two activities:
Smart Meter Survey
White Paper
New chair: Satish Saini
Program Manager at Hydro One
Opportunities for TAG to engage?
Contribute to survey?
Contribute to White Paper?
No interest in pursuing
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. Finalize PAP2 Wireless Matrix
Current Status:
Latest version r6
Pinged last week for spectrum efficiency values
Osama will review with ax group
SEPA/SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update
output will provide update for 802 standards
Other standards’ contributors may provide additional updates
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13. SEPA/SGIP update WG Membership (established by SEPA)
Tim Godfrey EPRI
Ron Cunningham AEP
Doug Gray TCS
Bill Godwin Duke Energy
Matt Gilmore Itron
Gerald Gray EPRI
Planning first call next week, Nov 13
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14. Publicizing White Paper Releases
Procedure for back end of white papers established in July:
Share white papers directly with Jonathan.
Request IEEE-SA Marketing, social media, Newsletters,
In process – releasing of Sub-1GHz White Paper
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

15. Sub 1 GHz Publishing
IEEE staff (Catherine Berger) has edited our final draft and provided proposed revisions
sub-1-ghz-white-paper_TAGreview1
Posted as r0
TAG action: Review and approve
Edited version in sub-1-ghz-white-paper_TAGreview1
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. 802.11 AANI SC Discussion in 802.11 AANI SC
Advanced Access Network Interface Standing Committee
Response to IEEE 5G white paper
AANI wants to generate a response
Key question:
Is (and more broadly IEEE 802) going to be more than a “component” of future networks that are controlled by 3GPP?
Would participants like to contribute (assuming also contributes) if an all-802 response and white paper content is requested?
No objection
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. TSN white paper Version after initial merge of Norm Finn contribution
Norm’s text in purple
Challenge is reducing excellent content to more manageable size for this white paper.
Volunteer for document Editor?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

18. TSN Utility Use Cases
Preparation for Wednesday Joint Meeting with 802.1
Further editing of first section describing utility use cases
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. Future Opportunities Tracking
At plenary meetings – review upcoming needs and opportunities for projects.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. Future Opportunities Tracking (.1)
Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to ?
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21. Future Opportunities Tracking (.2)
white paper on IoT and P2413?
Maybe more towards completion of P2413?
Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards.
Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards.
Discuss in Tuesday session of
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22. Future Opportunities Tracking
ULI
Incorporating features from RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard
Some other areas of potential interest
Still in proposal phase (maybe pre-ballot in Jan 2018)
Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including
s SMR – spectrum management resources
Can provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT?
IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy
ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems
ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.
Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS
September Notes:
EC approval to go to RevCom.
May be useful for dynamic radio management identified by utilities as import for future network deployments
4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used
White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.
Including use of metrics for management. Cross-standard application of metrics
Dynamic adaptability of networks in the same spectrum as other 802 standards
Compare and contrast with link adaptation in other 802 standards
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

23. Other Future Opportunities
Monitor the LPWAN IG in to see where it goes (and links to IETF)
Starting SG – amendment to , utilizing pieces for LPWAN
An 802-based alternative to proprietary LPWAN’s
See where IG-DEP goes.
Many use cases presented already covered by 802 standards
Potential application in utility networks for extremely hard to reach endpoints
Extremely low power use cases may be of interest to utility applications
Participation required to steer to useful work
Applying new bands and channel plans
u and v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing PHYs commonly used in smart grid.
IG on OFDM –
Amendment for : Filling the blanks in the OFDM PHY. PAR in March, TG meeting in March/May.
Action:
Late 2018: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

24. Tuesday IoT TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

25. Tuesday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report
Wael Diab
IIC Liaison Report
Any new liaison requests
Request to explore liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Group.
will initiate the liaison request
Action Wael – draft a formal liaison statement with areas of collaboration and exchange.
Suggested: IoT Market Segment Task Group
Challenges – information exchange will need to be cleared of default confidentiality of WFA documents.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

26. 802.24 Private Area The P2413 draft is currently available there
Drafts and other documents provided under liaison agreements are available here:
The P2413 draft is currently available there
For access credentials, please contact the Chair or Vice-chair
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

27. 802.24.2 P2413 Liaison Report and Draft Review
Ludwig Winkel
Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper
Can be use to explain to the 802 community how 802 fits into the overall IoT architecture
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

28. 802.24.2 Review and plan IoT white paper development
Chris DiMinico
Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft
Contributions towards IoT White Paper
Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Use Case Document Review
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

29. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.1 TSN Joint Working Session
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

30. Update on TSN white paper
Notes from July:
Leads for developing text contributions:
Janos Farkas – section on “Describe how TSN works”
Maik Seewald – section on “Understand IEC activities and relationships”
Karl Weber – section on DER and stabilizing networks with reactive power control.
Rodney Cummings – “how TSN features make use of time sync protocols”
Updated version after initial merge of Norm Finn contribution
r10
Norm’s text in purple
“How it works”, “Appendix 1 – Standards Summary”
Maik’s text contribution re-inserted
Challenge is reducing excellent content to more manageable size for this white paper.
Document contribution from Rodney Cummings
TBD
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31. Next Steps Continue merging and condensing content from Norm Finn
Merge content related to time synchronization
Other text contributions from TSN?
Review IETF DetNet use cases – incorporate others as appropriate
Teleconference in January
January Interim not all-802.
Another updating cycle before March plenary?
802.1 interim is Jan
Plan on call week of Jan 29 (follow up and announce on reflect)
Avoid Tuesday and Thursday mid-day EST
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

32. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Plan TSN teleconference
Forward reviewed Sub-1GHz white paper for publishing
Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI