1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
May 2018 Meeting
Warsaw, Poland
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
28 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM
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3. Agenda – 802.24-18-0012r0 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - May 2018, Warsaw Poland 1
Tuesday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve March TAG minutes
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Smart Grid Task Group
4:20 PM
1.6
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb 10
1.7
Liaison with IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force: "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System" (response from S6 TF) 20
4:30 PM
1.8
Discuss IEC SEG8 Liaison Opportunity
4:50 PM
1.9
802.11ah and g (SUN) coexistence (follow up discussion from AM2 IG)
5:10 PM
1.10
Recess
5:30 PM 2
Wednesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order
2.2
Discussion on 802.1CF OmniRan for vertical applications (March presentation)
2.3
Presentation and discussion on NENDICA (TBC)
Marks
2.4
Review comments and feedback from IEEE editors on Sub 1-GHz white paper 15
4:40 PM
2.5
New project and activities review
4:55 PM
2.6
Development and Editing of TSN White Paper 30
2.7
TAG Closing and AOB
5:40 PM
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7. Monday: 802.24 TAG Approve March minutes TAG Action Items from March:
Unanimous consent
TAG Action Items from March:
None
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

8. Liaison Pending liaison requests Plan: Request from 802.24.2
Establish Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Market Segment Group.
will initiate the liaison request
Draft a formal liaison statement with areas of collaboration and exchange.
Point of contact: IoT Market Segment Task Group
Challenges – information exchange will need to be cleared of default confidentiality of WFA documents.
Plan:
to draft and approve liaison request at this meeting, to have it approved by WFA in their June Meeting.
Request from
The subject of the information exchange is related to IoT Use Cases (some of which are smart grid related)
Bi-directional sharing of information about use cases
Approve draft liaison document tomorrow
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

9. Tuesday
Smart Grid TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

10. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from
FCC NPRM Sect 7 – new rules.
FCC notice on 3.7 – 4.2 GHz
No IEEE 802 response at this time
Would be shared – maybe similar to CBRS
Other discussions on 6 GHz and 60 GHz
IEEE European Spectrum Management
Does this impact any utility-centric bands in Europe? Not band-specific.
TBD whether there is any action here
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

11. New Liaison Possibility
Should we establish a liaison with IEC SEG8?
Scope of SEG8:
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. Discussion Opportunity to provide input on 802 standards?
Establish a liaison?
Develop a liaison request for providing two-way exchange of information and input for the IEC document.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. IEEE PSCC TF S6
January 2018 Study Report – "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication Systems“
TAG comments and contributions from March plenary meeting have been provided back to TF S6 chair
TF S6 is meeting this week.
No feedback received by meeting time
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

14. g and ah Coexistence
Review AM2 IG session discussion in and any follow up
IG will develop recommendations: (options)
1) changing one or both standards (new features in .11 S1G or SUN)
2) could create guidelines for coex (e.g. how to parameterize the standards)
Also need to consider other Sub-1GHz band occupants.
3) could create a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes.
Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle,
Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist
Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference
Need comparable analysis in other regions and in other Sub-1GHz technologies
If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work.
Could be shared on or private areas
will review status in July
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

15. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. Liaison Requests Wi-Fi Alliance IEC SEG 8
Approved with unanimous consent
Next steps
7.1.2 Sponsor subgroup public statements to other standards bodies
a) Sponsor subgroup public statements to external standards bodies that are not "Information
Only" should be copied to affected members of the Sponsor.
Copy request to EC before sending
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17. Nendica
IEEE 802 network enhancements for the next decade Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document (ICAID)
Distributed Radio Access Networks
802.1 standard for intra-base station (TSN for fronthaul) (could it apply to ?)
Perhaps there are aspects of this TSN that can serve vertical applications?
Flexible Factory IoT – apply TSN
Possible activities
Identify vertical applications that could be enabled by TSN features
Identify vertical application that could be enabled if TSN features were present in wireless standards
Can interfaces between wired and wireless map application-specific streams?
Provide vertical application requirements (needs, underlying problems) to Nendica. Nendica is linked with
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

18. Sub 1 GHz White Paper Resolve comments prior to IEEE publication
Review “ TAG white paper_edits.docx”
Continue addressing comments and questions
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. TSN White Paper Review and editing of draft
One contribution of update from Maik Seewald
Updated document r12 uploaded to Mentor following May meeting.
Will announce comment collection to and TSN
Teleconference with planned for June 14, 10am EDT.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Send liaison requests to EC reflector
Any New Business? No
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