1. RTA TIG Agenda Date: 2018-11-21 Authors: November 2018
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RTA TIG Agenda
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Authors:
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Abstract
This presentation contains the IEEE RTA TIG agenda for the November 2018 session.
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3. IEEE 802.11 Real Time Application TIG
November 2018
IEEE Real Time Application TIG
November 11-16, 2018
Bangkok, Thailand
Chair: Allan Jones (Activision)
Secretary: Kate Meng (Tencent)
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4. November 2018
Meeting Protocol
Please announce your name and affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot
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5. Register your attendance
November 2018
Attendance
Register your attendance
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6. Attendance, Voting & Document Status
November 2018
Attendance, Voting & Document Status
Make sure your badges are correct
If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising
Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area
see Jon Rosdahl –
Cell Phones Silent or Off
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7. November 2018
Patent Policy
Following 5 slides
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8. Participants have a duty to inform the IEEE
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Participants have a duty to inform the IEEE
Participants shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of each holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents
Participants should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of any other holders of potential Essential Patent Claims
Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is encouraged
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9. November 2018
Ways to inform IEEE
Cause an LOA to be submitted to the IEEE-SA or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible; or
Speak up now and respond to this Call for Potentially Essential Patents
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance, please respond at this time by providing relevant information to the WG Chair
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10. Other guidelines for IEEE WG meetings
November 2018
Other guidelines for IEEE WG meetings
All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
Relative costs of different technical approaches that include relative costs of patent licensing terms September be discussed in standards development meetings.
Technical considerations remain the primary focus
Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.
For more details, see IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and Antitrust and Competition Policy: What You Need to Know at
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11. Patent-related information
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Patent-related information
The patent policy and the procedures used to execute that policy are documented in the:
IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws (
IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual (
Material about the patent policy is available at
If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at
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12. Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings
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Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings
Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis
Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. ( section 5.2.1) •
IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures)
Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders.
Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see section and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause “Chair”, list item x.
By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate.
(Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures:
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13. Agenda Items for the Week
November 2018
Agenda Items for the Week
Approve teleconference minutes since September 2018
Presentations and Discussions
Schedule TIG teleconference times
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14. RTA TIG Schedule 2 Sessions are scheduled for this week Session 1
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RTA TIG Schedule
2 Sessions are scheduled for this week
Session 1
Tuesday :30-15:30
Session 2
Thursday :00-18:00
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15. Agenda for Tuesday November 13, 13:30 – 15:30
Call meeting to order
IEEE-SA IPR policy and Procedure
Summary of September 2018 Teleconference meeting
TIG motions
Approve TIG Teleconference minutes since September meeting
Presentations, Submissions and Discussions
Straw Poll for Joint Session for Wednesday AM2
Recess
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16. November 2018
Approval of RTA TIG Minutes (October 2018 Telecons and September Interim Minutes)
Approve RTA TIG minutes of teleconferences and minutes from September 2018 Interim meeting:
RTA TIG Sept. Meeting minutes meeting-minutes.docx
RTA Oct 10 Teleconference Minutes meeting-minutes.docx
RTA Oct 24 Teleconference Minutes
meeting-minutes.docx
Move: Jim Lansford Second: Tim Godfrey
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17. November 2018
Straw Poll
Should we have a joint session with on Wednesday AM2? • As the eSports is growing rapidly in China and Korea, VR eSports is being considered as an upcoming new eSports event. For that matter, we see that more and more network ready VR game content will be coming out in the market; hence, it would be great to take a look at the network requirement for VR eSports and this would be a great additional session that the RTA TIG team should also look at. As explained in the previous teleconference meeting, we have the use case scenario for the VR eSports and believe that this topic will be a great interest for both your TIG and the TIG. Yes: 8 No: 2 Abstain: 20
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18. Submissions November 2018 Allan Jones Activision DCN Title Author 1889
Use Cases, Requirements and Potential Wireless Approaches for Industrial Automation Applications
James Gross
1892
Time-Aware shaping (802.1Qbv) support in the MAC
Dave Cavalcanti
1918
Determinism for IoT considerations
Jerome Henry
 Proposed Revision of FFIOT Redundancy Section
 Roger Marks
1973
 Old and new latency requirements
 Kazuyuki Sakoda
1972
 Thoughts on RTA development
1978
 Discussion on Target Use Cases of RTA
 Akira Kishida
1947
 Performance evaluation of Real Time Communication over Wi-Fi (not reviewed)
Evgeny Khorov
 2009
 Draft RTA TIG Report (not reviewed)
 Kate Meng
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19. Agenda for Thursday November 15, 16:00 – 18:00
Call meeting to order
IEEE-SA IPR policy and Procedure
Presentations, Submissions and Discussions
Timeline
Straw Poll on TIG continuation
Telecon Schedule
Adjourn
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20. Submission 1972r7 Straw poll (1)
Do you think it is reasonable to develop a categorization schema of RTA application types?
For example, something like table in slide 6 in this submission
Yes: 22
No: 2
Need more information/discussion: 2
Don’t know: 0

21. Submission 1972r7 Straw poll (2)
Should RTA TIG discuss if robustness/reliability metric were considered together with latency requirements?
Yes: 28
No: 0
Need more information/discussion: 1
Don’t know: 0

22. Submission 1972r7 Straw poll (3)
Should RTA capability be available with multiple PHY technologies?
Yes: 18
No: 0
Need more information/discussion: 11
Don’t know: 0

23. Submission 1972r7 Straw poll (4)
Should RTA provide APIs for cross-layer operation allowing innovative/optimized implementation?
Yes: 9
No: 0
Need more information/discussion: 16
Don’t know: 0

24. Submission 1973r3 Strawpoll (1)
Do you think it is reasonable to include high data rate (>1Gbps) real time video application as a part of the target applications of the RTA?
Yes: 17
No:7
Abstain: 4

25. Submission 1973r3 Strawpoll (2)
Do you think it is reasonable to include real time video application requirement to the IEEE Real Time Applications TIG Report [6] (11-18/2009r0)?
i.e., 5[msec] or 10[msec] latency together with high bandwidth (>1Gbps) streaming capability
Yes: 14
No: 6
Abstain: 5

26. Submission 1978r3 Straw Poll #1
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Submission 1978r3 Straw Poll #1
Do you think that applications that require both low latency and high data rate such as VR should be included in the scope of RTA TIG?
Y: N: A: Need more further investigations:1
I would like to ask my question as straw polls.
First, do you think that applications that require both low latency and high data rate such as AR/VR, 4K/8K video streaming should be included in the scope of RTA TIG?
Second, How should we continue our future activity? RTA should be:
(a) A separate SG and amendment and target at both PHY and MAC layer technologies.
(b) A separate SG and amendment and target at only MAC layer technologies and upper layer solutions.
(c) A part of the EHT and follow-on activities and amendmentor self cancellation.
Akira Kishida (NTT)
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27. Submission 1978r3 Straw Poll #2
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Submission 1978r3 Straw Poll #2
How should we continue our future activity? RTA should:
(a) Be a separate SG and amendment and target at both PHY and MAC layer technologies.
(b) Be a separate SG and amendment and target at only MAC layer technologies and upper layer solutions.
(c) Be a part of the EHT and follow-on activities and amendment or self cancellation.
(d) Continue discussions and not make a decision at this time.
(a): (b): (c): (d): Other:1
I would like to ask my question as straw polls.
First, do you think that applications that require both low latency and high data rate such as AR/VR, 4K/8K video streaming should be included in the scope of RTA TIG?
Second, How should we continue our future activity? RTA should be:
(a) A separate SG and amendment and target at both PHY and MAC layer technologies.
(b) A separate SG and amendment and target at only MAC layer technologies and upper layer solutions.
(c) A part of the EHT and follow-on activities and amendmentor self cancellation.
Akira Kishida (NTT)
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28. November 2018
Straw Poll
Should we extend the RTA TIG timeline until the March Plenary? Yes: 28 No: 0 Abstain: 1
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29. November 2018
Straw Poll
Should switch from 9PM EST to 6PM EST for our Telcons? Yes: 10 No: 1 Abstain: 11
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30. Timeline July 2018: Formation of the TIG
November 2018
Timeline
July 2018: Formation of the TIG
2 Teleconference
September 2018: Interim Meeting
Assemble a team to develop the initial report
2 teleconferences
Nov. 2018: Plenary Meeting
Submit partial TIG report on the RTA TIG
Request informal comments
Scheduling 2 teleconferences
Jan Interim Meeting
Continue work
March 2019 Plenary Meeting
Submit final report
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31. November 28, 6PM ET December 12, 6PM ET Telecons November 2018
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