March 2009 Mesh Meeting Agenda

March 2009 Mesh Meeting Agenda
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 March 2009 Mesh Meeting Agenda Date: Authors: Name Address Affiliation Phone Donald Eastlake 3rd 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA USA Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

IEEE 802.11s: Mesh Networking Task Group
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 IEEE s: Mesh Networking Task Group TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Vancouver, British Columbia 9-12 March, 2009 Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd (Motorola) Temporary Technical Editor: Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Secretary: Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P802.11-09/205r8 Hyatt Regency Vancouver, British Columbia
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Venue Hyatt Regency Vancouver, British Columbia Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

General Flow of the TGs Meeting
March 2009 General Flow of the TGs Meeting Monday Administrivia and Status Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Tuesday TGs Process Presentation Wednesday Security Presentations Thursday TGs Process Discussion Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Monday, 9 March2009 9:30–11:00, Grouse Room
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Monday, 9 March :30–11:00, Grouse Room Call ad hoc meeting to Order Miscellaneous Announcements Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Manual attendance recording Ad Hoc meeting Agenda Approved Presentations “Clarifications for Peer Service Period”, 11-09/269r0, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) “PS-Poll Frame Use in Mesh”, 11-09/270r0, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) Strawpoll: Should usage of PS-Poll be prohibited in MBSS? Yes: No: Abstain: 6 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Monday, 9 March2009 9:30–11:00, Grouse Room
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Monday, 9 March :30–11:00, Grouse Room Presentations (cont.) “Operation in Light Sleep Mode”, 11-09/271r0, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) “MCCA Enhancements”, 11-09/280r0, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) “Changes to Abbreviated Handshake”, 11-09/0283r0, Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks) Strawpoll: I would support a motion to make these changes to the draft if a document describing them had been on the server for four hours Agree: 1 Disagree: 0 Maybe, but needs more discussion: Don’t care: 0 Resolution of comments and improvement of the Draft Adjourn ad hoc meeting Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Tuesday, 10 March 2009 10:30 – 12:30, Grouse Room
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 12:30, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order Miscellaneous Announcements Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Approval of Minutes: Los Angeles meeting minutes: 11-09/110r0 Approved by unanimous consent Monday morning ad hoc meeting minutes: 11-09/310r0 Teleconference minutes: February 4, 18, 11-09/227r0, 11-09/244r0, approved unanimously Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Automated Attendance Recording
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Automated Attendance Recording Go to (Documents: or or just Sign-in Claim attendance credit for each session. Only “sign-in” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others. You have to log in every session! Do NOT use 802wirelessworld for anything! Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Miscellaneous Announcements
March 2009 Miscellaneous Announcements Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended! The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff. Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area! Individual membership In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization. Photographs and Recordings No sound recordings are permitted at WG or TG meetings. No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission. Media – Press and Analyst briefings Only the /.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working group. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

March 2009 Important Stuff Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda. Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions: Anti-Trust: IEEE Ethics: Letter of Assurance Form: IEEE Patent Committee: IEEE Patent Policy: Patent FAQ: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Patent Related Links March 2009 All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Call for Potentially Essential Patents
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 12:30, Grouse Room Status of TGs Draft 2.07 and Comment Resolutions “Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 126”, 11-08/493r39 “TGs draft D2.07 status report”, 11-09/240r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Remaining Agenda Approved by unanimous consent Presentation and Discussion on Process “TGs Process, March”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-09/352r1 Presentations “SAE Test Vectors”, 11-09/0292r2, Dan Harkins (Aruba Networks) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 12:30, Grouse Room Motion: To direct the editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/292r0 into the Draft and update the resolutions of CIDs 956 and 375 to be Counter with a resolution note stating “Resolved by the adoption of 11-09/292r0”. Moved: Dan Harkins Seconded: Jesse Walker Yes: 7 No: 0 Abstain: 4 (passes > ¾) “Final resolutions for MCCA related comments”, 11-09/320r0 (Excel: 11-09/0321r0), Guido Hiertz (Philips) “Action frames and addressing”, 11-09/0149r2, Guenael Strutt (Motorola) “Multi rate support for mesh STA”, 11-09/316r1, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 12:30, Grouse Room “Some fixes to sync text”, 11-09/317r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) “Some fixes to power save”, 11-09/318r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) “General Editorial Comment Resolution”, 11-09/353r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Recess until 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order Selection of Secretary The chair served as Secretary for this session. IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Presentation: “Proactive PREQ/P and HWMP MIB Variables”, 11-09/260r0 (Word: 11-09/261r0), Michael Bahr (Siemens) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Strawpoll: Subgroup interest? (number in parenthesis is number of open comments) Security (33, Jesse Walker): 3 RFI (16, Guenael Strutt): 2 General (14, ): 2 MAC (10, Michelle Gong): 6 Divide into MAC and Security subgroups for comment resolution. The MAC group completed and re-targeted to the General category. Subgroups were called together and recessed until 16:00. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Announcement: comment resolution spreadsheet 11-08/493r40 is available that incorporates comment resolutions adopted so far in this meeting. Motions Motion: Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/320r0 (“Final resolutions for MCCA related comments”) into the draft, updating the comment resolution spreadsheet as shown in 11-09/321r0. Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Guenael Strutt Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes > ¾ ) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Motion: Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/149r2 (“Action frames and addressing ”) into the draft, updating the comment resolution spreadsheet to show CID 1096 as Counter. Moved: Guenael Strutt Seconded: Guido Hiertz Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes > ¾ ) Motion: Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/316r1 (“Multi rate support for mesh STA”) into the draft. Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Guido Hiertz Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Motion: Moved, to direct the Editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/317r0 (“Some fixes to sync text”) into the draft. Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Guenael Strutt Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes ¾ ) Motion: Moved, to adopt the comment resolutions in 11-09/353r0 (“General Editorial Comment Resolution”) and direct the Editor to incorporate any changes in into the draft. Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Guido Hiertz Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes > ¾ ) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Motion: Moved, to amend the action taken in the first motion above in this session by substituting 11-09/321r1 for 11-09/321r0. Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Kazuyuki Sakoda Yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes > ¾ ) “Collocated Mesh STAs”, /0349r0, Guenael Strutt (Motorola) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Tuesday, 10 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Motion: Moved, to direct the editor to incorporate the changes in 11-09/349r0 into the draft with “dvices” changed to “devices” and “mesh” inserted in front of the first two occurrences of “STA” in paragraph 2 of the text to be added to the draft, resolving CID 842 with Accept and 1949 with Counter. Moved: Guenael Strutt Seconded: Guido Hiertz Yes: 4 No: 0 Abstain: 0 Topic: Management/Data Frames Question re subtype exhaustion “TGs draft D2.07 status report”, 11-09/240r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Recess until Wednesday at 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:30 – 15:30, Grouse Room
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Announcement: comment resolution spreadsheet 11-08/493r41 is available that incorporates changes adopted yesterday and comment resolutions from the MAC and General subgroups. Security Presentations “Updated Abbreviated Handshake”, 11-09/0268r0 (normative text: 11-09/0266r0, comment spreadsheet 11-09/0267r0), Jesse Walker (Meiyuan Zhao) (Intel) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Security Presentations (continued) “Mesh Peering Instance Controller”, 11-09/0288r0 (normative text: 11-09/0287r0), Jesse Walker (Meiyuan Zhao) (Intel) Motion: To (1) adopt the changes in 11-09/287r0 and 11-09/266r0 except that Section V.5.8 is not deleted and (2) to direct the Editor to incorporate them into the Draft and (3) to adopt the comment resolutions in 11-09/267r0 and (4) to close CID 216 with “Counter” and Resolution Note “Fixed by 11-09/266r0”. Moved: Jesse Walker Seconded: Guenael Strutt Yes: 7 No: 0 Abstain: 1 (passes > ¾ ) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Motion: To adopt the comment resolutions in 11-09/0359r0 (“Security Comment Resolutions”) with Column P equal to “x” except CIDs 903, 1562, and 1563 and direct the Editor to enter the changes for those comments with Column P equal to “Accept” or “Counter” into the Draft. Moved: Jesse Walker Seconded: Guido Hiertz Yes: 9 No: 0 Abstain: 0 (passes > ¾ ) Motion: To adopt the comment resolutions in 11-08/0493r41 (“LB 126 Comment Resolutions”) with Column P equal to “MAC090310PM1” or “x” and direct the Editor to enter the changes for those comments with Column P equal to “Accept” or “Counter” into the Draft. Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Jarkko Kneckt Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room Presentation: “Corrected resolution for Clause ”, 11-09/373r0, Guido Hiertz (Philips) Motion: To adopt the changes to the Draft in 11-09/373r0 and direct the Editor to incorporate them. Moved: Guido Hiertz Seconded: Kazuyuki Sakoda Yes: 9 No: 0 Abstain: 0 (passes > ¾ ) Motion: To adopt the changes to the draft in 11-09/318r2 (“Some fixes to power save”) and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the Draft. Moved: Jarkko Kneckt Seconded: Guido Hiertz Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :30 – 15:30, Grouse Room The Editor reported that there are 20 Open CIDs left, 6 in the General area and 14 in the RFI area. Recess until 16:00 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Pending Presentations/Topics
March 2009 Pending Presentations/Topics “802.11s integration into the CFs framework ”, 11-09/381r0, Guido Hiertz “Root Announcement Cleanup”, 11-09/385, Guenael Strutt “Forwarding and Addressing”, 11-09/377r0, Guenael Strutt “Proactive PREQ/P and HWMP MIB Variables ”, 11-09/260r1, Michael Bahr Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Wednesday, 11 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Resolution of comments and improvement of the Draft Recess until Thursday 10:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

Thursday, 12 March 2008 10:30 – 12:30, Grouse Room
doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Thursday, 12 March :30 – 12:30, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance recording reminder Resolution of comments and improvement of the Draft Recess until 16:00 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Thursday, 12 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Resolution of comments and improvement of the Draft Moved, to direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session. Mover: Seconder: Yes: No: Abstain: [Motion to go to Letter Ballot. Either directly if Draft is ready or via a 15 day procedural ballot if Draft is not ready.] Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 Thursday, 12 March :00 – 18:00, Grouse Room Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences “TGs Process, March”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-09/352r2 Other technical presentations Adjourn sine die TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

[Reference Information]
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 [Reference Information] Updated PAR at Original PAR for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. Comment Resolution Spreadsheet: 11-08/493r39: Resolution of Letter Ballot #126 Comments TGs Technical Editors: Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), Draft 2.03 … Anthony Maida (3eTI), Drafts 2.01 and D2.02 Avinash Joshi (Motorola), Drafts 1.09 through D2.0 W. Steven Conner (Intel). Drafts 0.01 through D1.08 (also chair of the first Mesh Study Group Session) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

[Earlier Meeting Minutes]
March 2009 doc.: IEEE P /205r8 March 2009 [Earlier Meeting Minutes] Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes January 2009, January 2009, Los Angeles, California, 11-09/110r0 November 2008, Dallas, Texas, 11-08/1431r0 September 2008, Waikoloa, Hawaii, 11-08/1078r0 September 2008, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-08/1038r0 July 2008, Denver, Colorado, 11-08/835r0 May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida, 11-08/580r2 May 2008, ad hoc meeting, Santa Clara, California, 11-08/539r0 March 2008, Orlando, Florida, 11-08/424r0 January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan, 11-08/170r2 November 2007, Atlanta, Georgia, 11-07/2826r1 Recent Teleconference Minutes December 3, 17, 11-08/1449r0, 11-08/1464r0 January 7, 11-09/16r0 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

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