1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
July 2016 Meeting
San Diego, CA, USA
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
36 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Monday PM2
Tuesday PM2
Wednesday PM2 (Joint with TSN)
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3. Agenda - 24-16-0018-00-0000 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - July 2016, San Diego, CA, USA 1
Monday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda 10
4:05 PM
1.3
Introduction/meeting objectives
4:15 PM
1.4
Approve May TAG minutes
4:20 PM
1.5
IoT Task Group business
DiMinico
4:25 PM
1.6
Liaison Coordinator's Report
Diab 15
1.7
P2413 Liaison Report
Winkel
4:40 PM
1.8
Review and plan IoT white paper development 30
4:55 PM
1.9
Proposed whitepaper on Single-pair Ethernet PHYs for IoT
Zimmerman
5:25 PM
1.10
Recess
5:55 PM 2
Tuesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order
2.2
Smart Grid Task Group
2.3
Review action items from previous meeting
2.4
Liaison Report from P2030.5
Heile
2.5
Input to ITU WP1A on Question 236
Godfrey/ Lynch
2.6
Finalization of Sub-GHz Whitepaper
2.7
Whitepaper Development: Considerations of commercial LTE vs 802 networks in utility applications
Godfrey/ Gillmore 45
2.8 3
Wednesday PM2 session
3.1
3.2
Meet with TSN to explore application of Time Senstive Networks for utility applications
Godfrey / Parsons 60
5:00 PM
3.3
closing - action items, plans
5:10 PM
3.4
Adjourn
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6. Monday: 802.24 TAG Approve March minutes TAG Action Items:
TAG Action Items:
None
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7. Monday: 802.24 TAG Student Paper Contest Winner
The winner is Meareg Abreha Hailemariam
The paper is entitled "History and Implementation of the IEEE 802 Security Architecture"
Meareg is scheduled to present twice:
WNG (AM on Tuesday, July 26)
WNG (AM2.5 11:30 Wednesday July 27th)
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8. Monday
IoT TG
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9. Tuesday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report
Wael Diab
IIC Liaison Report
Any new liaison requests
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10.
P2413 Liaison Report
Ludwig Winkel
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11. 802.24.2 Review and plan IoT white paper development Chris DiMinico
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12. 802.24.2 Proposed whitepaper on Single-pair Ethernet PHYs for IoT
George Zimmerman
Document r0
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13. Tuesday
Smart Grid TG
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14. Action Items Completing Sub GHz white paper:
Intro section on range (Ben),
Regulatory section (John Notor)
Tim – turn cellular comparison discussion slide into outline document and post
Done: document r0
Volunteers for content requested
Ludwig can provide reference to Industrial Automation (Industry 4.0) requirements.
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15. P Liaison Report
No update at this meeting
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16. ITU WP1A - Question 236 802.24 provided response November 2015
TAG Comments on Report ITU-R SM Smart grid utility management systems.docx
Review feedback and response from ITU
Follow up:
“Document 1/ Draft revision of Report ITU-R SM – Smart grid utility management systems SG 1 approved the draft revised Report from WP 1A without comment.”
From Chairman’s report
Potential follow up on “beam forming” wireless power transformer at 2450 MHz.
to the EC. Any response would have to be approved in Warsaw and approved by EC on teleconference.
Liaison from WP1A’s meeting earlier this month has been received. Due to the size of the document I have posted it on the RR-TAG Mentor website as
will check with and chairs and discuss potential response.
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17. Sub 1 GHz White Paper Open Areas: Updates from May meeting in r8
Sub-1GHz Applications Open
Global regulatory environment John Notor?
Need text or a reference to external sources for pros and cons of mesh vs repeater Open (in process)
Updates from May meeting in r8
Action: subgroup to finish and release
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18. Cellular comparisons white paper
White paper on NB-LTE, Cellular IoT, LTE-U vs IEEE 802 standards in smart grid applications.
Technical comparisons
Potential coexistence issues
Matt Gillmore
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19. Cellular comparisons white paper outline
Start working from r0
Actions:
Review outline and comment
Tuesday, seek volunteers for paragraph contributions
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20. White paper on TSN
Ethernet operation to provide time bounded or deterministic services.
How can this be applied in utility applications?
Substation networks
Interconnection between LAN and WAN
The requirement comes from specific applications:
Starting point was Audio/Video, and industrial automation
Now the TSN capability is application agnostic
Automotive is an emerging application – replace CAN, Flexray, etc.
There is also ring topology for redundancy
Questions:
Is utility protection application considered for TSN?
Today there is some use of proprietary real-time Ethernet variants.
GOOSE protocols
Synchrophasor applications
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21. Future Opportunities Tracking (1)
white paper on IoT and P2413?
Maybe more towards completion of P2413?
Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards.
Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards.
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22. Future Opportunities Tracking (2)
ULI
Eventually, we can explain how it relates to the rest of 802, and better integration. Well defined ways of integrating.
Take this up when there is a draft
s SMR – spectrum management resources
Can provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT?
IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy
ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems
ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.
Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS
Coordinate with
Action Plan:
Coordinate with ULI initiative
4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used
White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.
Including use of metrics for management.
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23. Future Opportunities Tracking (3)
Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to ?
Useful Output: Identify the use cases that the standards serve, and provide them to the industry.
That can then define who is an appropriate liaison
Need to educate and inform liaisons to gather needs and requirements with respect to IEEE 802 projects. Identify the tools we have available, and present the available toolbox.
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24. 802.24 TAG closing Capture action Items from this meeting
Subgroup to complete Sub 1 GHz white paper
Follow up on Wireless Power Transfer issue
Any New Business?
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25. Wednesday
Smart Grid TG
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26. White Paper on TSN
Meet with TSN to explore application of Time Sensitive Networks for utility applications
Presentation to in document r0
Establish liaison with IEEE PES Power Systems Relay Committee (Communications Subcommittee) and the Substations Committee (SCADA Subcommittee)
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27. Adjourn
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