1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
January 2019
St. Louis, MO, USA
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
26 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Wednesday PM
Thursday PM
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3. Agenda – 802.24-19-0001r1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - January St. Louis, MO, USA 1
Wednesday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Liaison Review 10
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:30 PM
1.7
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/ Holcomb 20
1.8
Collaboration with : 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality)’
Godfrey / Das 40
4:50 PM
1.9
Recess
5:30 PM 2
Thursday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order TAG
2.2
Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group - review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix 30
2.3
Follow up on "Network Integration" discussion from November 15
4:45 PM
2.4
Discussion on Low Latency White Paper proposal
5:05 PM
2.5
Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures"
5:15 PM
2.6
Comments and feedback from NIST on Smart Grid Wireless Standards Matrix
2.7
Coordination with on g and ah Coexistence project
Godfrey / Rolfe
5:40 PM
2.8
New Action Items, New Activities, AOB
5:45 PM
2.9
Adjourn
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7. 802.24 TAG Approve November minutes TAG Action Items from November:
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8. Sub 1 GHz White Paper
Requested that the paper title was changed from "IEEE Vertical Applications TAG“ to "Smart Grid Standards for Operation in Sub 1 GHz Bands“
Published in December
Posted on web page:
Working with IEEE publications to make it easier to access
Smart Grid Standards for Operation in Sub-1 GHz Bands
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

9. Wednesday
Smart Grid TG
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10. TSN White Paper Comment Collection Will remain open until Meeting
The TAG and TSN TG solicit comments on sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper"
Comment submittal spreadsheet provided
Will remain open until Meeting
Expect to finalize in March and start publishing process
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

11. Collaboration with
'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality)’
Subir Das
Was presented in and Subject of discussion
Vertical Applications Collaboration Opportunities
Relates to activities in Real-time.
New activity just starting on Real Time (by Oliver Holland)
Will include text contributions in March 2019.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. AR/VR Low Latency Goals of 802.21 activity
independent of what RTA in does
Goal 1: Letting the wireless WGs know what the wireless link requirements are
Goal 2: Define a higher layer adaption layer across all wireless links. (and maybe .3 also)
Timeframe: submit PAR in June for July approval.
Link Layer Issues: Jitter, Latency
Provide information to wireless WG
High Layer Issue: QoS, QoE & Mobility
A new standard in
Cross-cutting services and management.
Similar cross=cutting purpose to OmniRAN, but these functions are not defined
Focus on Quality of Experience.
Work to solve the problem should be coordinated among multiple working groups.
This class of applications involves multiple 802 working groups
MAC/PHY WGs, as service framework, etc.
can serve as a point of coordination with joint meetings of the individual projects for component standards
is interested from the perspective of mmwave for very high BW. The MAC is designed for bounded latency.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. AR/VR Low Latency
IEEE 802 can create a community for developing a suite of capabilities suited for this class of applications
Moving the focus from maximizing throughput only to also consider quality of experience and reliability.
Build on Low Latency White Paper
Broadly define the set of applications (vertical and otherwise) around bounded / low latency
Look at the VR architecture diagram and consider the appropriate standard for each link. They will be a mix of wireless and wired.
IEEE 802 could provide comparable services to what is promised by 5G.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

14. Actions Plan to continue joint meetings (March)
plans to provide the services layer above the MAC/PHY
Various WG’s will develop amendments to their standards to support RTC.
It is up to WG to determine if any amendment is needed
will provide input on requirements to WGs
will provide a venue for collaboration (joint meetings) at Plenary
Vertical Application areas can provide input on specific use cases
Include representatives from related activities in other WG’s
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15. Thursday TAG
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16. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from – Jay Holcomb
Discussion: Ireland consultation on 400 MHz
Further Consultation on the Release of the 410 – / 420 – MHz Sub-band
ComReg 18/92
Spectrum to be auctioned, both for LTE and in small segments of 100 KHz.
Potential for g in this? similar to “purposed” licensed spectrum in China and elsewhere. Also 15.4g can operate in Part 90 and Part 101 FCC spectrum.
This is just Ireland: will this lead to further similar actions in other regulatory areas?
1.4 GHz spectrum recently announced is being used for telemetry in oil/gas industry with s
Traditional license model – geographic ownership
Part 90
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group
ATIS: Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions
Review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix provided by ATIS
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

18. Follow Up Teleconference
Invite 24.2 IoT TG to submit comments
Consolidate comments for response to ATIS by their requested deadline of Feb 28.
to reflector, ask comments to be pre-submitted by Feb 19th.
Call time: Thursday Feb 21, 9 Pacific, Noon Eastern
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. “Network Integration” action item
Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July.
Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3GPP and the publicity on “5G”
What is meant by Network Integration?
Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market?
Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers?)
The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A “cleaner” integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing.
Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer?
Can this be developed into a white paper?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. Network Integration: Notes from November
Max Riegel contribution r0
Thoughts on IEEE 802 network integration with respect to P802.1CF
Based on many discussions of the place of in 5G.
5G SC
Conclusions – AANI integrating into 5G domain. Nothing corresponding in 3GPP
Industry connections – NENDICA
Flexible Factory IoT, Data Center Bridging
What’s missing – a picture of 802 as a peer to 5G
5G promises they will do “everything”
But, they don’t do anything wired
5G requires an extensive PLMN to support it.
It is designed to help the cellular operator grow their market
Verticals might not want an operator in the middle of their network
Value proposition: 802 networks are customer-owned
Example – Santa Clara Emergency services issues
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

21. “Low latency” White Paper
Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards
Including wired and wireless communications
An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC
A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency
The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum.
Adapting TSN’s “FRER” feature
Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum?
Operating over multiple bands or channels?
Special cases for high data rates for immersive video
Several people interested in contributing
Action:
Post call for contributions
Start reviewing contributions in January
Contribution from Oliver Holland (who cannot attend in January)
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

22. Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8:
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT.
Document shared in Private Area
IEC_SEG8_Deliverable2_draft_181118_ext_clean.pdf
Updated version uploaded to private area with annotations
Key chapters relevant to input from
IoT Technologies
Single-pair Ethernet (SPE)
Deterministic Networking
Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN)
V2V, V2I, V2P and V2N communication technologies
Call for other 802 WGs to participate in review and provide comments
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

23. g and ah Coexistence ( )
will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes.
Identify use cases where g is not sufficient and both are needed
Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle,
Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist
Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference
If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work.
MERL will share simulation models on Github.
New modules for 11ah 15.4g
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

24. 2019 TAG Activity Plan “Low latency” White Paper
Start in January
Include AR/VR activity
Nendica FFIOT might also fit into this
A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards g and ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in TG.
Can this also include applying s in sub-1GHz spectrum?
TBD
white paper on IoT and P2413
P2413 entering Sponsor Ballot
Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of u, v, w, x, y
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

25. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Announce teleconference on reflector, with call for comments
Re-announce TSN white paper call for comments for March meeting
Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI