1. JTC1 Ad Hoc Sept 2010 agenda 14 Sept 2010 Authors: July 2010
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JTC1 Ad Hoc Sept 2010 agenda
14 Sept 2010
Authors:
Andrew Myles, Cisco
Andrew Myles, Cisco

2. July 2010
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This presentation will be used to run the JTC1 Ad Hoc meetings in Hawaii in Sept 2010
This presentation contains a proposed running order for the IEEE JTC1 Ad Hoc committee meeting in Sept 2010, including
Proposed agenda
Other supporting material
It will be modified during the meeting to include motions, straw polls and other material referred to during the meeting
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

3. Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents
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Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents
All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy (IEEE-SA SB Bylaws subclause 6.2). Participants:
“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents
“Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims
“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)
The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group
Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged; there is no duty to perform a patent search
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

4. There are a variety of patent related links
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There are a variety of patent related links
All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.
Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws
IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual
Material about the patent policy is available at
If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit
This slide set is available at
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

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A call for potentially essential patents is not required in the JTC1 Ad Hoc
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
Either speak up now or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
Cause an LOA to be submitted
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

6. July 2010
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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will operate using general guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings
All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
Technical considerations remain primary focus
Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.
See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

7. Links are available to a variety of other useful resources
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Links are available to a variety of other useful resources
Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation
Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines
Link to IEEE Code of Ethics
Link to IEEE Patent Policy
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

8. July 2010
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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette
IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization
Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization.
Individuals are to address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter.
The Copyright Act of 1976 made a dramatic change to U.S. copyright law. Copyright was now deemed to exist from the moment of creation. Thus anything that is created is deemed to be owned by its creator. Additionally, a work no longer needs to be published in order to be protected. Therefore, even your scribbles on a piece of note paper constitute copyrighted material that you own and control.
The NII (National Information Infrastructure) and the GII (Global Information Infrastructure) are causing lawmakers and copyright owners to assess the ability of current copyright law to protect owners rights in a digital environment. While at this point the changes being talked about are not significant, they will make it clear that copyright protection is afforded to owners in the digital environment making it a requirement to honor the rights accorded to owners.
It is a requirement under the IEEE Bylaws that copyright ownership of all material published by the IEEE resides with the IEEE. The Standards Department accomplishes the transfer of copyright ownership from the volunteer authors to the Institute via the Project Authorization Request (PAR) form.
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

9. The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a very general proposed agenda
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The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a very general proposed agenda
Tuesday PM2
Call to Order
Select recording secretary
Approve agenda
Conduct meeting according to agenda
Recess
Thursday AM2
Call to Order
Select recording secretary
Conduct meeting according to agenda
Adjourn
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

10. The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered
The agenda items that will be addressed this week are:
Approval of minutes from previous meetings
Review goals of JTC1 ad hoc
Review status of Sponsor Ballot drafts sent to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
Review WAPI status in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
Discuss upcoming SC6 meeting agenda
Review status of elements of WAPI in JTC1/SC27
Discuss any other JTC1/SC6 liaison matters
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11. The JTC1 Ad Hoc will consider approving its agenda
Motion to approve agenda
The JTC1 Ad Hoc approves the agenda for its meeting in Hawaii in Sept 2010, as documented on pages 9-10 of <this slide deck>
Moved:
Seconded
Result
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12. The JTC1 Ad Hoc will consider approval of previous minutes
Motion to approve minutes
The JTC1 Ad Hoc approves the minutes for its meeting in San Diego in July 10, as documented in jtc-minutes-of-jtc1-ad-hoc-in-San-Diego-in-July-2010.doc
Moved:
Seconded
Result
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13. The JTC1 Ad Hoc reaffirmed its general goals in Sept 09
Agreed goals
Provides a forum for members to discuss issues relevant to both:
IEEE 802
ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
Recommends positions to ExCom on ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 actions affecting IEEE (and IEEE 802)
Note that 802 LMSC holds the liaison to SC6, not WG
Participates in dialog with IEEE staff and 802 ExCom on issues concerning IEEE’s relationship with ISO/IEC
Organises IEEE members to contribute to liaisons and other documents relevant to the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 members …
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14. The 802.11 WG has liaised various Sponsor Ballot drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
No technical comments have been received in relation to any of the Sponsor Ballot drafts liaised to JTC1/SC6
Task Group
Liaised after LA
Orlando
Beijing
San Diego
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15. It was recognised by the ad hoc in Sept 09 that WAPI is of vital interest to the JTC1 Ad Hoc
It was agreed by the JTC1 ad hoc in Hawaii in Sept 09 that WAPI remains an important and constant issue for consideration
This is the case for a variety of reasons, possibly including:
WAPI appears to duplicate functionality of i
The promoters of WAPI assert that i is insecure
It is unclear how or whether i and WAPI can coexist …
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16. The new project proposal for WAPI in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 was approved
WAPI was submitted by the China to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 as a New Project proposal for a stand alone standard
IEEE 802 submitted a liaison to SC6 in Nov 09 in relation to the justification of the project
See r1
This liaison was discussed at the SC6 meeting in Jan 10 but no reply was received
The SC6 National Bodies subsequently approved the New Project
10 out of 18 NB’s voted “yes” (10 required)
5 NB’s stated they would participate in the project (5 required)
It is not known when the new project activities will start
There is an item on the SC6/WG1 meeting in Sept
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17. An IEEE 802 representative will be attending the SC6 meeting in London
IEEE 802 ExCom approved appointing Bruce Kraemer as the IEEE 802 representative at the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 meeting in London on Sept
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18. SC6/WG1 has issued a draft agenda for its meeting on 27-29 Sept in London
Draft SC6/WG1 agenda
2. Welcome
3. Roll Call of Delegates
4. Approval of Agenda
5. SC6 WG1 Active Work Items
5.1. Magnetic Field Area Network
5.2. ISO/IEC 29157
5.3. ISO/IEC PDTR
5.4. WLAN Security
5.6. High Rate 60GHz PHY, MAC and HDMI PAL
5.7. NFC
5.7.1 Ad Hoc Group Meetings report and discussions on NFC Series of Standards
5.7.2 Liaison report
5.8. TV White Spaces (ECMA-392)
5.9. Study Group report on PLC Harmonization
6. Liaison Statements
7. Other Business
8. Development, Review and Approval of WG1 Resolutions
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19. The SC6/WG1 meeting agenda includes at least a few items of items of potential interest
Items of interest to IEEE WG may include
5.3. ISO/IEC PDTR
Related to the , which documents relationship between SC6 and 802
Comment resolution in SC6 on was not completed in 2007?
superceded in recent times by PSDO agreement between IEEE and 802
Comment resolution in SC6 on PSDO was not completed in 2010?
No details are yet available
5.4 WLAN Security
Likely to be related to WAPI
5.6. High Rate 60GHz PHY, MAC and HDMI PAL
Does anyone have any insight on the 60GHz item? …
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20. The SC6/WG1 meeting agenda includes at least a few items of items of potential interest…
5.8 TV White Spaces (ECMA-392)
ECMA has submitted this standard for ratification by ISO/IEC
Scope: This Standard specifies a medium access control (MAC) sub-layer and a physical (PHY) layer for personal/portable cognitive wireless networks operating in TV bands. This Standard also specifies a MUX sublayer for higher layer protocols. This Standard specifies a number of incumbent protection mechanisms which may be used to meet regulatory requirements, which themselves are outside of the scope of this Standard
No details are yet available
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21. Other items that may be of interest to IEEE 802
The China NB has submitted a paper to SC6 that describes the use of Combined Public Key with IPv9 (!), for trusted routing
SC27 has approved TePA (Triple-Element Peer Authentication ), which is essentially the authentication part of WAPI, as an amendment to (Information technology -- Security techniques -- Entity authentication -- Part 3: Mechanisms using digital signature techniques)
There is a proposal in SC27 from the China NB to start a project for access control that would essentially be a replacement for 802.1X
There is a proposal to SC6 from the China NB to start a study period on LAN security, ultimately with the goal of replacing 802.1X
There is a proposal to SC6 from the China NB to start a study period on a new PHY/MAC, ultimately with the goal of replacing !
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22. The IEEE have an ongoing interest in the WAPI project
The IEEE staff are still working issues in the WAPI draft related to copyright
IEEE staff are working with ISO and SAC on resolving the issue
It is believed that WAPI draft is being rewritten to resolve the isues
The WG may have an opportunity to review drafts from the new project for compatibility with and for security
Should we ask at the appropriate time?
The WG may need to consider WAPI when considering when and how to submit further amendments to ISO/IEC JTC1 as part of
The WG may want to inform SC6 at an appropriate time that the current draft of WAPI uses an IE identifier that conflicts with an IE identifier already allocated to k
It also appears to use other code points that conflict with …
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23. Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss in relation to WAPI?
Possible questions:
Does anyone have any further information on the status of the WAPI standard in SC6?
Does anyone have any further information on the regulations related to WAPI in China or elsewhere?
Does anyone know if and how WAPI and can coexist?
Is there any work that can be done to improve coexistence?
Does anyone know of any security issues related to i or WAPI?
When should WG notify SC6 about the numbering conflict?
When a draft becomes available?
Does anyone have information about other “amendments to ” being developed in China or elsewhere? …
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24. Are there any other matters for discussion?
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