China MM-Wave (CMMW) Study Group January 2012 Report

China MM-Wave (CMMW) Study Group January 2012 Report
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 January 2012 China MM-Wave (CMMW) Study Group January 2012 Report Date: Authors: Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng
January 2012 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Attendance, Voting & Document Status
January 2012 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Patent Policy Following 5 slides Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Instructions for the WG Chair
January 2012 Instructions for the WG Chair The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee: Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation Advise the WG attendees that: The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws; Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged; There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development. Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting: That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown; That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance. It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference. Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board. (Optional to be shown) Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
January 2012 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Call for Potentially Essential Patents
January 2012 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
January 2012 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Agenda Items for the Week
January 2012 Agenda Items for the Week Set agenda for the week Leadership of the study group Call for secretary Background PAR & 5 C development Task group logistics Planning for March Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Tentative Agenda for the Week
January 2012 Tentative Agenda for the Week Monday Jan 16th, 13:30 – 15:30 Set agenda for the week Leadership of study group Call for secretary Background PAR & 5 C development Wednesday Jan 18th, 8:00 – 10:00 Task group logistics Planning for March Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Submissions -china-wpan-mmwave-liaison-w pptx Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Agenda for Monday Jan 16th, 13:30 – 15:30
January 2012 Agenda for Monday Jan 16th, 13:30 – 15:30 Set agenda for the week Leadership of study group Call for secretary Background PAR & 5 C development Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Leadership of study group
January 2012 Leadership of study group Dr. Eldad Perahia and Dr. Xiaoming Peng have been appointed as Co-Chairs pro-tem of the new Chinese MM-Wave (CMMW) study group by WG Chair Bruce Kraemer practices call for the SG attendees to confirm the Study Group chairs Other candidates may wish to be considered. 1. Are the any other individuals who would like to be considered as candidates for CMMW Study Group chair? 2. Down selection vote - if required. 3. Record SG support for the identified candidates. 4. Bring candidates forward to mid-week plenary for WG confirmation. Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Background (1/4) CWPAN mmwave project group approached ad in July 2010 expressing interest in exchanging information between groups issues to discuss import of 60 GHz test equipment into china 45-50 GHz band only two channels in 60 GHz in China A liaison was established between and CWPAN. The chair of CWPAN 60GHz project group was selected as the liaison Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Background (2/4) Nov 2010, CWPAN requested information regarding copyright permission for CWPAN to modify ad spec for GHz operation Jan 2011 presented official response from IEEE staff to CWPAN The IEEE doesn’t normally give other groups permission to modify its standards If China WPAN would like to propose improvements or changes to an IEEE standard we’d be happy to work with you to do that The next step would be to create an IEEE project proposal – can we work together on that? also requested more regulatory information on GHz in China in order to determine whether to start new project or modify ad PAR slide 18 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Background (3/4) March 2011, held a joint meeting between ad and CWPAN IEEE reaffirmed that IEEE will not give copyright permission to an outside organization to modify an IEEE spec. Modifications need to be done within IEEE CWPAN promised to provide a wish list to ad in a few months provided ad tutorial to CWPAN, July 2011 CWPAN reported that they started a new study group on GHz in Sept 2010, and this activity will be separate than their 60 GHz project CWPAN 60 GHz has a functional requirement of 3 logical channels presented proposal to modify TGad protocol to support coexistence between narrow channels and 11ad channels -china-wpan-mmwave-liaison-w pptx Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Background (4/4) Nov 2011 Bruce presented proposal for working relationship with CWPAN Background: CWPAN wishes to modify the 11ad specification in ways that were not known of by 11ad during its development including such items as China specific spectrum allocations and channelization Summary of proposal: Start a new project to amend TGad, e.g. study group, new PAR, new Task Group Mutual exchange of documentation between and CWPAN Initial ideas on Task Group meeting locations in Asia, attendance, voting rights New task group led by CWPAN principle Details regarding the operation of the Task Group require work during the study group CWPAN response positive and supportive 802.11ad, WG, and 802 EC approval of formation China MM-Wave (CMMW) study group Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 CWPAN Background -china-wpan-mmwave-liaison-w pptx Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 PAR – Key Items Scope Limit scope to specific modifications to meet CWPAN requirements Purpose Address CWPAN 60 GHz and 40-50GHz frequency bands requirements Need Less 60 GHz spectrum in China as compared to other regions. Need to modify ad to address … New GHz spectrum (to be approved) in China. Need to modify ad to address… Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 5 Criteria Broad Market Potential Compatibility Distinct Identity Technical Feasibility Coexistence of 802 wireless standards specifying devices for unlicensed operation Economic Feasibility Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 PAR & 5 C Background Info 802.11ad and c PAR 802.11ad and c 5C’s Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Notes for Monday Jan 16th, 13:30 – 15:30
January 2012 Notes for Monday Jan 16th, 13:30 – 15:30 The confirmation of study group chairs received unanimously approval Questions for discussion Should we have one task group for both 60 GHz & GHz or two task groups one for 60 GHz and one for GHz? How similar is Q-LINKPAN to 11ad? Should we support backward compatibility (e.g. like we have between 11n and 11g) Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Agenda for Wednesday Jan 18th, 8:00 – 10:00
January 2012 Agenda for Wednesday Jan 18th, 8:00 – 10:00 PAR & 5 C’s Task Group logistics (hard stop at 9:50) Plan for March Conference call times Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Notes for Wednesday Jan 18th, 8:00 – 10:00
January 2012 Notes for Wednesday Jan 18th, 8:00 – 10:00 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 PAR & 5C discussion 12/0140 PAR Can we get a reference number for Chinese radio management document? What does interoperability means? New products can talk to legacy 11ad products Is 40-50GHz band shifted version of 11ad? This could be one of technical proposals to CMMW Proposal to put in the PAR that we take 11ad and make narrow channels and band shift Proposal to add “Work of this group should be substantially based on 11ad” Should we separate the groups into 60 and 40-50? Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Restructure the Scope to separate the 60 sub-bullets from sub-bullets Purpose: modify ad so it can be used in the two bands in China Change “With the newly allocated frequency” to “With the soon to be with the newly allocated frequency” Put TBD for target date Add CWPAN into 7.2 12/0141 5C Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Specifications – Questions
January 2012 Specifications – Questions How much change to 11ad is required to meet the CWPAN PG4 60GHz requirements? When can obtain requirements statements from PG4? Understood that many are in Chinese and will need to be translated How much change to 11 is required to meet the CWPAN SG GHz requirements? When will the GHz spectrum allocation rules be released? What did SG5 request from SRRC? Will 11ad be an acceptable baseline for CWPAN SG5? Mutual exchange of documentation between and CWPAN is needed IEEE participants need access to CWPAN SG5 application specifications Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Task Group Logistic Discussion
January 2012 Task Group Logistic Discussion Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Summary from 11/1570 on meeting locations in Asia, attendance, voting rights CWPANad interim meetings could be convened in Beijing or other suitable Asian location. CWPANad voting rights could be maintained on attendance of CWPANad meetings only, or perhaps CWPAN and IEEE could agree to provide each other balloting rights. CWPAN response on voting and attendance CWPAN agreed the principle of maintaining the voting rights of CWPANad on attendance of CWPANad meetings only [Obtaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who attend three CWPANad meetings per year including at least one CWPANad interim meeting will obtain the voting rights of CWPANad [Maintaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who has obtained the voting right of CWPANad, needs to attend two CWPANad meetings including at least one CWPANad interim meeting to maintain the voting right. [Note 1]: Voting right of CWPANad is not equivalent to the voting right of IEEE To obtain the voting right of IEEE , it needs to follow the existing regulation [Note 2]: We expect CWPANad participants to attend at least one CWPANad interim meeting per year to ensure enough communication and better understanding with Chinese participants Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Discussion in ad in Atlanta on meeting locations in Asia, attendance, voting rights Establishing Task group voting rights is the wrong way to go, because it splits voting rights in It is better to have the interim CWPANad meetings be adhoc meetings with no implications on voting rights. Request more explanation about the need for having separate meetings in Asia given that more and more mainland Chinese attendees are actually attending these meetings. Response: from past experience, many individuals from mainland China have trouble obtaining visa to travel to the US. Holding meetings in Asia will allow easier attendance. Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Meetings – Questions We have confirmed that CMMW TG meetings will be organized through CESI What is the best scheduling arrangement to optimize the quantity and quality of participation and technical exchanges Essentially all of current CWPAN PG4/SG5 members will participate in CMMW TG activities CMMW TG meetings will be co-located with plenary meetings CMMW TG interim meetings will be held independently in Asia The meeting schedule for interims and 802 plenaries are scheduled through 2014 CMMW TG meetings will not be scheduled to overlap with scheduled WG meetings If there is an interim meeting in Asia, the CMMW TG will be co-located The three Asian CMMW TG interim meetings will be scheduled for 2 days ( 12 months in advance) If the CMMW TG interim meeting follows the interim would you prefer the CMMW TG interim meetings be held Mon-Tues or Thur-Fri? CWPAN meetings will be co-located interim meetings announced at least 45 days in advance do not require a quorum for voting Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Introduction of CESI China Electronics Standardization Institute(CESI) founded in 1963 is a professional institute for standardization in the field of electronics and IT industry under China Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) CESI has been playing a significant accelerating role in disseminating and applying standards, promoting the development of the industry, and international exchange and cooperation, with: having established laboratories, certification bodies and working stations authorized by the government and accredited by the authorities; taking charge of the centralized management for 54 national technical mirrors to IEC TC/SCs and ISO/IEC JTC1/SCs; having held 11 secretariats of national standardization technical committees, including CWPAN having established cooperation relationship with some international standardization organizations and well-known international bodies Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Voting rights - Baseline
January 2012 Voting rights - Baseline Rules Baseline A working group can authorize more than one Interim meeting between plenaries. An interim announced at least 45 days in advance does not have any quorum requirement WG voting rights are obtained and maintained by attending meetings and voting on WG draft ballots Under the current 802 WG rules an individual who attends only interim meetings cannot obtain or maintain WG Voting rights The WG11 chair does have the power to grant or reinstate voting rights if the circumstances warrant such an action only grants voting rights on a WG basis – there are currently no provisions for task group only voting rights Working assumptions It is expected that members will broadly participate in multiple TG activities and will be broadly interested in the “seamless” integration of new amendments into the whole The Chairs of the CMMW TG project will be able to attend both regular WG interims and plenaries plus Asian based CMMW TG interim meetings However a substantial portion of the CMMW participants live in China, plan to attend the CMMW TG interims held in China but will not be able to travel to the US for WG Meetings Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Voting in Meetings Rationale We want participation from all members so we need the meeting to have importance (i.e. voting) Proposal CMMW TG meetings should be conducted such that qualified voting members will be able to conduct binding votes (not just straw polls) Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

Attaining/Retaining Voting rights
January 2012 Attaining/Retaining Voting rights Assumption Credit towards working group voting rights will be granted from attendance at Asian Task Group interim meetings (when not co-located with normal interim meeting, but it cannot be double counted if the participants attend the normal interim meeting towards WG voting rights) voters, that never attend a CMMW interim meeting, will have CMMW voting rights. New considerations Should create a new class of Voting rights that are task group specific? (i.e. CMMW TG voter) Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Voting on Drafts Does a CMMW TG voter vote on all other WG drafts? If CMMW TG members had such rights would they be included in WG ballots only on matters pertaining to the CMMW TG? Is voting by all CMMW TG members on all CMMW drafts required to maintain voting rights? Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Goals for March Review CWPAN response to questions Develop Task Group guidelines Develop PAR and 5 Criteria Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

January 2012 Conference call times Thursdays 19:00-20:00 ET (tentative agenda for first call is 5 C’s) Feb 9, 16 March 1 Eldad Perahia, Xiaoming Peng

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