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1 September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 802.11aa – Robust Audio Video Transport Streaming Dallas, Texas Opening Report Date: Authors: Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

2 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Abstract This submission summarizes TGaa goals and agenda for the IEEE Dallas, Tx meeting (Nov 2010) Slide 2 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 2 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

3 Snapshot Goals for the Dallas Meeting: Joint meeting with 802.1AVB
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Snapshot Goals for the Dallas Meeting: Joint meeting with 802.1AVB Resolve remaining LB164 comments and approve corresponding resolutions Start recirculation letter ballot Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

4 Opening Report Nov 2010 November 2007 September 2008
doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Opening Report Slide 4 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 4 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

5 Attendance Recording - 802.11
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Attendance Recording Sign-in at “newton” is a local server, not reachable via a VPN “newton” is active only during sessions First “sign in” to provide contact information Only name and affiliation may be posted publicly, as per IEEE rules No other personal information will be publicly available Second, log attendance Sign In Slide 5 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 5 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

6 As a Courtesy To Others …
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 As a Courtesy To Others … PLEASE switch your Mobile Phones OFF, or to VIBRATE Alert, remember to MUTE your PC also please ! "Our thanks to all those people who now use Headsets !” The use of Audio and / or Video recording of any meeting is Specifically Prohibited as per the WG Policies and Procedures. This is mandated by the IEEE-SASB in the OpManual Still photography is only permitted by a public request and permission of the meeting membership via the WG Chair, and is not for commercial purposes, also mandated by IEEE-SASB in the OpManual Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

7 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 802.11aa – Nov 2010 Policies and Procedures, Attendance reminder: **IEEE Patent Policy ***Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - ** Read slide deck *** Note especially items #7 & #11 Slide 7 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 7 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

8 TGaa Agenda Nov 2010 September 2008 doc.: IEEE 802.11-08/1003r0
Monday AM1 – ad hoc (9:00-11:00) Administrivia Review topics for discussion with 802.1AVB LB164 Comment Resolutions -- MRG Wednesday PM1 – Gaston-B Administrivia LB164 Comment Resolution -- MRG Thursday AM1 – Joint with 802.1AVB Gaston-B Administrivia Interworking with 802.1Qat (discuss changes) Input from for 802.1BA Monday PM1 – Gaston-B Administrivia Editor Election Agenda for the week (plan and review) LB164 Comment Resolutions -- OBSS Thursday AM2 – Gaston-B Administrivia Complete MRG Comment Resolution MRG for Mesh comments (1337r4) Tuesday PM1 – Gaston-B Administrivia LB164 comment Resolution Status Room Request for the Los Angeles Meeting LB 164 comment id #655 Resolution – 10/1337r1 LB 164 Comment Resolution – OBSS Thursday PM1 – Kessler Administrivia Comments with issues MAV (Maximum Allocation Value) discussion Teleconference Schedule Motions Review Closing Report Adjourn Tuesday PM2 – Gaston-B Administrivia LB164 Comment Resolution -- MRG Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

9 Comments to address 128 unresolved 113 duplicates
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Comments to address 109 (OBSS) same as 369 791 (OBSS) 254 (OBSS) deferred 797 (OBSS) 607 (OBSS) 804 (OBSS) 882 (OBSS) 992 (OBSS) 699 (MRG) 998 (MRG) 218 (MRG) 128 unresolved 113 duplicates 15 unresolved (398, 974, 882, 654) Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

10 TGaa Editor Alex Ashley (only candidate)
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 TGaa Editor Alex Ashley (only candidate) Approved with unanimous consent. Slide 10 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 10 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

11 Minutes review Waikoloa Meeting minutes (10/1177r0)
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Minutes review Waikoloa Meeting minutes (10/1177r0) Teleconference Minutes (10/1197r2) Ad hoc meeting minutes (10/1310r0) Slide 11 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 11 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

12 Motion-1 Move to approve TGaa Waikoloa Meeting minutes – 10/1177r0.
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-1 Move to approve TGaa Waikoloa Meeting minutes – 10/1177r0. Approved Unanimously Slide 12 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 12 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

13 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-2 Move to approve Sep-Nov, 2010 Teleconference minutes (document 10/1197r2). Approved Unanimously Slide 13 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 13 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

14 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-3 Move to approve Nov 08, 2010 Ad hoc meeting minutes (document 10/1310r0). Approved Unanimously Slide 14 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 14 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

15 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Joint meeting with 802.1AVB Updates to changes in interworking with 802.1Qat MaxRes discussion 1) Having an BSS act like first class 802.1Q bridges (so they can participate in the dynamic reconfiguration and management protocols) – STA-Bridge ( is an intermediate node in the path) ensure multicast routing works correctly 2) Possible reporting back up to SRP of QoS conditions (particularly latency and current bandwidth available) – what exists in now? 3) Making sure APs and STAs know the difference between "multicast" and "group address" as conditions for routing action ... so that a stream that has a DA with the "I/G" bit set does NOT necessarily result in a broadcast transmission (with all the attendant wastage of bandwidth). mapping a packet based on if the destination is known or not (irrespective of it is multicast or unicast) – default behavior Does MRG consider which members need to receive in order to determine the rate to use ? implementation dependant SRP needs to be able to populate the dot11GroupAddressTable Information is available in .1 but we need to figure out how to propagate it to Slide 15 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 15 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

16 Joint meeting with 802.1AVB Nov 2010
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Joint meeting with 802.1AVB Can statistic reporting thresholds be set and corresponding reports be generated if the thresholds are crossed up or down? What the QoS Management report indicate – what bandwidth is being used? What bandwidth is available? This is an interaction between DMN and the AP MaxRes in 802.1AVB and need not be the same MaxRes for variable rate LANs Initially set to 50%, Increases slowly, Is this fair in ? Decreases rapidly – collision detection versus collision avoidance is the difference here 50% is for guaranteed QoS. Other streams can start but it is not guaranteed QoS There is no relative importance associated with TSPECs The goal is decide as soon as possible, if a reservation is at risk for not meeting the QoS What would be a typical sampling interval (report period) be for ? Teardown reservations when bandwidth is not available but be pessimistic in allowing new reservations Need input from on how rates (bandwidth) changes – channel model If AP is involved in the SRP reservation process (ask the AP) the QoS management will be better Slide 16 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 16 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

17 Motion-4 Move to approve the following teleconference schedule:
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-4 Move to approve the following teleconference schedule: Weekly Monday Hrs ET Nov 29; Dec 13, 20; Jan 03,10 Approved Unanimously Slide 17 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 17 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

18 Jan 2011, LA meeting room request
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Jan 2011, LA meeting room request Draft 2.0 Recirculation Comment Resolution Request 6 sessions at least one that does not conflict with TGac, one with FIA, one with SmartGrid and one with TGae Slide 18 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 18 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

19 Motion-5 Move to adopt TGaa D1.02 as the working draft. Nov 2010
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-5 Move to adopt TGaa D1.02 as the working draft. Moved: David Hunter Seconded: Alex Ashley Approved Unanimously Slide 19 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 19 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

20 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-6 Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB164 on P802.11aa D1.0 as contained in document 10/1181r2, For duplicate comments with a blank resolution, set the resolution to “See resolution of the comment that this comment duplicates”, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft2.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a 15-day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11aa D2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” Moved: Alex Ashley Seconded: Graham Smith Motion Passes 7/0/0 Slide 20 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 20 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

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