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Project: IEEE 802.15 Working Group for Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPANs)
Submission Title: [TGn Report Nov08] Date Submitted: [13Nov08] Source: [John Barr] Company [Motorola] Address [1303 E. Golf Road, Schuamburg, IL 60196] Voice:[ ], FAX: [ ], Re: [] Abstract: [November TGn Report] Purpose: [November TGn Report] Notice: This document has been prepared to assist the IEEE It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein. Release: The contributor acknowledges and accepts that this contribution becomes the property of IEEE and may be made publicly available by November 2008 doc.: IEEE /0830r0 Dr. John R. Barr, Motorola John Barr, Motorola
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What Really Happened in Dallas
Serious Consideration of Letter Ballot Comments Leading to Improvements Of n Draft Dr. John R. Barr, Motorola
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TGn - LB136 – Comments (48 Total)
Bruce Kraemer, Marvell November 2008
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TGn - LB 136 Ad hoc Documents
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1297r5 November 2008 TGn - LB Ad hoc Documents Ad hoc CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report (ppt) Resolutions (doc) Sunday, Nov 9, 2 pm Beam Coex 1237 r0 1288 r0 Gen 1219 r1 BEAM + PHY MAC 1220 r2 1221 r1 Editor 1209 r0 Composite 1208 r2 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Tuesday pm1 Motions
July 2008 November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1297r5 doc.: IEEE /0748r5 TGn - Tuesday pm1 Motions Ad hoc Motions CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report Doc Beam Coex Gen 1 4 1219 r2 PHY MAC 7 1220 r3 1221 r2 Editor Slide 5 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM) Page 5 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Wednesday am1 Agenda
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1297r5 November 2008 TGn - Wednesday am1 Agenda Additional-40-MHz-Scanning-Proposal.ppt John Barr 20 Robust Bluetooth Detection using n Energy Detector Steve Shellhammer r1 Listen Before Talk Issues r1 Tutorial on the 40MHz coexistence mechanisms in n Eldad Perahia Other Discussion Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - January Meeting Topics
Comment Resolution 40 MHz Coexistence PHY tutorial – Pat Kinney Bluetooth AFH tutorial – John Barr Correlation between and Bluetooth – Barr Test results for n and Goyal-U Wisc Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Timeline – Best Prediction
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1297r5 November 2008 TGn Timeline – Best Prediction Event Name Accepted Dates Actual Currently Approved Accepted PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Nov ‘08 Jan ‘09 Recirculation Sponsor Ballot May ‘09 Final WG Approval Jul ‘09 Nov ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Sep ‘09 Jan ‘10 Publication Mar ‘10 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Background - “non-802.11 radio scan”
Front end of n radio can be used to detect features of and radios with minimal cost impact. IEEE (Bluetooth) wireless devices utilize a low cost scanning mechanism to detect presence of frequency hopping signals with pseudo-random hopping sequences. IEEE (Zigbee) wireless devices use energy detection and feature recognition to detect devices. A combination of these methods can be used to define the “non radio scan” algorithm and detection limits. Similar to DFS algorithm used for radar detection Detection limits based on expected signal level of non radio within range of likely interference by 40 MHz n transmissions (e.g., 2-3m). Confirmation of algorithm and detection limits from at least Bluetooth SIG and Zigbee Alliance. John R. Barr, Motorola, Inc.
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“non-802.11 radio scan update”
Add clause defining “non radio scan”: The “non radio scan” shall be able to detect presence of 1 MHz GFSK transmissions in channels centered on f=2402+k MHz for k=0..78 with a power level greater than –35 dBm that appear on at least 20 channels in a 100 mSec time period, and 5 MHz DSSS O-QPSK transmissions with a 2 MHz chip rate in channels centered on f= (k-11) MHz for k=11-26 with a power level greater than –38 dBm that appear on channels affected by the proposed 40 MHz channel in a 100 mSec time period. If either transmissions are detected “non radio scan” result is positive otherwise it is negative. John R. Barr, Motorola, Inc.
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Proposed Text (Peter Loc)
In subclause , use the reserved bit B3 of the Extended Capabilities field for the HT AP or HT STA to declare its support for non radio scans. In subclause , insert after line 12 , page 223: Before an AP or STA that is capable of detecting non radios (bit B3 of the Extended capabilities field is set to 1) starts a 20/40 MHz BSS, it shall perform a non radio scan to search for non radios. In subclause , insert after line 65 , page 223, the following: An FC HT AP 2G4 that is capable of detecting non radios shall keep the value of 20/40 Operation Permitted to FALSE if presence of non radio is detected. Insert the following paragraph at the end of subclause , page 230, after line 13 An FC HT STA 2G4 that is associated with an FC HT AP 2G4 and is capable of performing non radio scans (bit B3 of the Extended Capability field is set to 1) shall perform at least one non radio scan every dot11BSSWidthTriggerScanInterval seconds., unless the FC HT STA 2G4 satisfies the conditions described in In subclause , change “dot11FortyMHzIntolerant is TRUE” to “dot11FortyMHzIntolerant is TRUE or dot112G4RadioScanEnabled is FALSE” TBD - Add dot112G4RadioScanEnabled in appropriate places and define as performance of non radio scan John R. Barr, Motorola, Inc.
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Coex Resolution from 08/1400r1
Reject - The group does not feel that the issue of additional degradation in BT performance when devices are operating in 40 MHz compared to 20 MHz is significant enough to make a further change to the draft. Recognizing it is advantageous to detect and avoid interference caused to other users of the unlicensed spectrum, there is a mechanism known as CCA that does detect any narrowband or broadband energy (including and ) in the channel and defers transmission of both 20 MHz and 40 MHz. Furthermore, product vendors have already developed and will continue to improve coexistence mechanisms as allowed by the 11n amendment. Dr. John R. Barr, Motorola
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