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Report of TGv – May 2005 DATE: May 205 Author(s) January 2005
doc.: IEEE /xxxx May 2005 Report of TGv – May 2005 DATE: May 205 Author(s) Name Company Address Phone Pat R. Calhoun Cisco Systems, Inc 170 West Tasman Dr., San Jose, CA 95134 Notice: This document has been prepared to assist IEEE It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein. Release: The contributor grants a free, irrevocable license to the IEEE to incorporate material contained in this contribution, and any modifications thereof, in the creation of an IEEE Standards publication; to copyright in the IEEE’s name any IEEE Standards publication even though it may include portions of this contribution; and at the IEEE’s sole discretion to permit others to reproduce in whole or in part the resulting IEEE Standards publication. The contributor also acknowledges and accepts that this contribution may be made public by IEEE Patent Policy and Procedures: The contributor is familiar with the IEEE 802 Patent Policy and Procedures < ieee802.org/guides/bylaws/sb-bylaws.pdf>, including the statement "IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard." Early disclosure to the Working Group of patent information that might be relevant to the standard is essential to reduce the possibility for delays in the development process and increase the likelihood that the draft publication will be approved for publication. Please notify the Chair as early as possible, in written or electronic form, if patented technology (or technology under patent application) might be incorporated into a draft standard being developed within the IEEE Working Group. If you have questions, contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administrator at < Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco Pat R Calhoun, Airespace
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Abstract Report of the meeting of TGv at the May 2005 session.
January 2005 doc.: IEEE /xxxx May 2005 Abstract Report of the meeting of TGv at the May 2005 session. Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco Pat R Calhoun, Airespace
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Goals for May 2005 Elect/Appoint Secretary
Elect/Appoint Technical Editor Get closure on some TGv requirements TGv Use Case Scenarios Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Submissions Submissions May 2005
11-05/0224r2 – TGv Requirements – Pat Calhoun V /xxxxr0 – Location requirements– Joe Decuir V /xxxxr0 – RF Management PAR – Tom Seip 11-05/0369r0 – Secure WNM Requirements – Emily Qi V /xxxxr0 – Dynamic Channel Selection – Marian Rudolf V /xxxxr0 – Proposal for Standardization of WLAN NMS Interface – Ilkka Talvitie V /xxxxr0 – Different Uses – Joe Epstein V /xxxxr0 – Power-saving – Marian Rudolf V /0000r0 – Firmware Update – John Klein V /xxxxr0 - Load Balancing– Joe Epstein v xxx v-Load-Balancing-Kwak-Rudolf – Marian Rudolf 11-05/0370r0 – BSS Load Balancing Requirements – Emily Qi V /xxxxr0Tx Power– Joe Epstein V /xxxxr0 – Deferral Management – Marian Rudolf V /xxxxr0 - Inter AP – Joe Epstein V /xxxxr0 – 11v control framework – Marian Rudolf Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Proposed Agenda Review IEEE patent policy Approve agenda
May 2005 Review IEEE patent policy Approve agenda Group status update Approve minutes from last meeting Attendance Update Call for permanent secretary – appoint/confirm Call for technical editor – appoint/confirm Call for presentations 11-05/0348r1 – Talvitie V /xxxxr0 - Decuir V /xxxxr0 – Rudolf V /xxxxr0 – Rudolf V /xxxxr0 – Rudolf V /xxxxr0 – Rudolf V /xxxxr0 – Rudolf 11-05/0369r1 – Qi 11-05/0370r1 - Qi Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Proposed Agenda (cont.)
May 2005 802.1 Architecture Requirements discussion (11-05/0224r2) Other technical submissions Revised 5 Criteria co-existence text Next steps Motions for working group Adjourn Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Thursday Agenda (revised)
May 2005 8:00 - Recess (30 minutes) 8:30 - Firmware Update (v14) - John Klein (30 minutes) 9:00 - Load Balancing Requirements (11-05/0370r0) - Emily Qi (30 minutes) 9:30 - Load Balancing (v5) - Marian Rudolf (30 minutes) 10:00 - break 10:30 - Load Balancing (v12) - Joe Epstein (25 minutes) 10:55 - Tx Power (v13) - Joe Epstein (25 minutes) 11:20 - Deferral (v2) - Marian Rudolf (25 minutes) 11:45 - Inter AP (v11) - Joe Epstein (25 minutes) 12:10 - Planning for July (Next Steps) 12:30 - Adjourn Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Motion #1 to adopt Agenda
May 2005 Moved: to adopt the agenda Mover: Harry Worstell Seconded: Jesse Walker Passes: unanimous Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Motion #2 to approve TGv March 2005 minutes
May 2005 Moved: to approve meeting minutes 05/0292r0 Mover: Richard paine Seconded: John Klein Passes: unanimous Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Attendance Recording -802.11
May 2005 A sign-in sheet will be located at the Registration desk Each member must sign-in “once” (1) per day, between the hours of 0800 and 1800 local time Participants must “sign” their name in the appropriate place and state % of attendance that day in Attendance will be checked against other 802 groups. Those found abusing the honor system will loose ALL credit for that day. These sheets are provided daily. If you don’t sign up during the “regular sign-in” hours, you will NOT be given credit for that day. Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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ftp://server/ IP Address: 10.0.0.5 www.802wirelessworld.com
May 2005 ftp://server/ IP Address: Will NOT be used for this Session! Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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ftp://server/802-11/ Upload ALL Submissions
May 2005 ftp://server/802-11/ Upload ALL Submissions Into the INCOMING Documents folder Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Secretary/Editor Secretary: Technical Editor:
May 2005 Secretary: Bob Miller may be available once e is completed Technical Editor: Emily Qi has volunteered Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards
January 2005 doc.: IEEE /xxxx May 2005 IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards 6. Patents IEEE standards may include the known use of essential patents and patent applications provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents whose infringement is, or in the case of patent applications, potential future infringement the applicant asserts will be, unavoidable in a compliant implementation of either mandatory or optional portions of the standard [essential patents]. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent or patent application becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either: a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement either mandatory or optional portions of the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity complying with the standard; or b) A statement that a license for such implementation will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination. This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period. Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco Pat R Calhoun, Airespace
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Inappropriate Topics for IEEE WG Meetings
January 2005 doc.: IEEE /xxxx May 2005 Inappropriate Topics for IEEE WG Meetings Don’t discuss the validity/essentiality of patents/patent claims Don’t discuss the cost of specific patent use Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions, or market share Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object. If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco Pat R Calhoun, Airespace
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Straw poll #1 May 2005 Who believes that the task group should officially adopt 11-05/0369r1 as security requirements to TGw. Yes: 10 No: 1 (belief we are too early in the process) Abstain: Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #2 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the DCS issues listed in v xxx v-DCS-Kwak-Rudolf should be considered as a problem to solve in TGv, with the understanding the TG would define the tools, not the algorithms ? Yes:7 No: 4 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #3 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the long term power saving issues listed in v xxxx v-Power-Saving-Kwak-Rudolf should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 6 No: 2 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #4 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the short term power saving issues listed in v xxxx v-Power-Saving-Kwak-Rudolf should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 0 No: 7 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #5 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the AP firmware upgrade requirements in v xxxx v-Firmware-Upgrade should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 7 No: 0 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #6 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the client firmware upgrade requirements in v xxxx v-Firmware-Upgrade should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 2 No: 8 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #7 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the load balancing issues described in v-bss-load-balancing-requirements and v xxxx v-Load-Balancing-Kwak-Rudolf should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 13 No: 1 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #8 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the transmit power recommendations described in v xxxx v-Transmit-Power should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 14 No: 0 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #9 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the TPC/EDT recommendations described in v xxxx v-TPC-EDT-Kwak-Rudolf should be considered as a possible problem to solve in TGv? Yes: 13 No: 1 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Straw poll #10 May 2005 Does the TG believe that the Access Point Coordination general ideas (or a subset thereof) as described in v xxxx v-access-point-coordination should be considered as a possible problem to address in TGv? Yes: 14 No: 0 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Motion #3 to appoint Secretary
May 2005 Moved: to appoint Bob Miller to be secretary of TGv Mover: Harry Worstell Seconder: Richard Paine Passes: Unanimous Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Motion #4 to appoint Technical Editor
May 2005 Moved: to appoint Emily Qi to be editor of TGv Mover: Jesse Walker Seconder: Marian Rudolf Passes: Unanimous Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Motion #5 to modify 5 criteria document
May 2005 Propose to add the following coexistence assurance statement to the TGv 5 criteria document: As requested by Exec Comm, move to request that the IEEE WG add a coexistence assurance statement to the TGv 5 Criteria Document, Clause 5d: “IEEE Standard v will address wireless network management only and there will be no co-existence issues.” Mover: Marian Rudolf Seconded: Joe Kwak Passes: 8/0/0 Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Actions May 2005 No actions Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Work completed May 2005 Elected Bob Miller as Secretary and Emily Qi as Technical Editor Provided TGv security requirements to TGw Requirements considered in scope Dynamic Channel Selection (DCS) Power Saving AP Firmware Upgrade Load Balancing Transmit Power Control Access Point Coordination Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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WG motion to modify TGv 5 criteria document
May 2005 Move to add the following coexistence assurance statement to the TGv 5 criteria document: As requested by Exec Comm, move to request that the IEEE WG add a coexistence assurance statement to the TGv 5 Criteria Document, Clause 5d: “IEEE Standard v will address wireless network management only and there will be no co-existence issues.” Mover: Seconded: Passes: Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Output Documents 11-05/0224r2 – TGv requirements
May 2005 11-05/0224r2 – TGv requirements 11-05/0459r2 – TGv May 2005 meeting minutes V /xxxxr2 – TGv May 2005 Meeting Report Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Goals for July May 2005 Move all requirements for which there is no owner into the ‘B’ list. Only focus on ‘A’ list items moving forward. The WG will entertain presentations to move ‘B’ items to ‘A’ list. Presentations on the remaining ‘A’ list items will be heard, and the TG will determine whether they are in or out of scope Members will begin to provide recommended requirements text Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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Adjourn Meeting adjourned at 12:17pm on May 19, 2005 May 2005
Pat R. Calhoun, Cisco
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