1. November 2015 802.11 Session Supplementary Material
May 2011
doc.: IEEE /0051r2
November 2015
November Session Supplementary Material
Date:
Authors:
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation

2. November 2015
Introduction
This report provides supplementary material related to attending the November plenary meetings.
Refer to the agenda: 11-15/1217r3
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3. November 2015
Wednesday
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4. W2.2 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
May 2011
doc.: IEEE /0051r2
November 2015
W2.2 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
Either speak up now or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
Cause an LOA to be submitted
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation

5. W2.3 – Thursday CAC reminder
November 2015
W2.3 – Thursday CAC reminder
Leaders of Task Groups, Study Groups and Standing Committees (or their nominee) should attend the Thursday CAC at 7:30pm.
The purpose of the CAC is:
To prepare the agenda and material for the closing WG plenary
To create room requests for the next session
To advise and support the chair in his responsibilities as an EC member
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6. W5.2 - Survey of attendance reporting
November 2015
W5.2 - Survey of attendance reporting
At the last meeting, manual counts were taken of the number of people present in the room at the half-way point of each meeting.
As 75% attendance in a meeting is required to claim attendance, everybody claiming attendance should be present at this point
The counts recorded from the IMAT attendance system were captures and compared.
See the following slides
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7. W5.2 - Recorded counts from the minutes
November 2015
W5.2 - Recorded counts from the minutes
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8. W5.2 - Counts from IMAT November 2015
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9. W5.2 - Ratio: IMAT/physical (where physical was recorded)
November 2015
W5.2 - Ratio: IMAT/physical (where physical was recorded)
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10. W5.2 - How should we respond to this data?
November 2015
W5.2 - How should we respond to this data?
Should we care?
Can we ever do anything about it – after all isn’t it just human nature?
It is unreasonable to expect a “personal professional” ethic?
Should we ask IEEE 802 for guidance?
Should we attempt to identify the those abusing the system?
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11. November 2015
W5.2 - Straw Poll
Should the WG chair attempt to take any corrective action in the matter of wrongly-claimed attendance ?
Yes No
Abstain
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12. W5.7 – Distribution of “Standards Disk”
November 2015
W5.7 – Distribution of “Standards Disk”
The challenges..
Distribution of Standards on DVD doesn’t help those whose laptop doesn’t have a DVD drive (increasing). Cost is ~ $1.
Distribution of Standards on a USB drive is expensive - $5, and some companies have an internal policy of disabling access to USB disk drives as a security measure.
Distribution of Standards online would need to authenticate that downloads to authenticated & registered users at the meeting, and probably create an audit trail of download vs user. This infrastructure does not exist, and therefore there would be a cost to develop it.
And finally – supporting > 1 distribution medium would add to cost and management overhead.
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13. How do you prefer to access an “IEEE 802 Standards Disk”?
November 2015
How do you prefer to access an “IEEE 802 Standards Disk”?
DVD
USB memory stick
Authenticated download
Some other method not yet invented
Don’t have any interest in receiving this information
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14. November 2015
friday
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15. F2.2 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
May 2011
doc.: IEEE /0051r2
November 2015
F2.2 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
Either speak up now or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
Cause an LOA to be submitted
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation
Adrian Stephens, Intel Corporation

16. F2.4 Administrative Reminders
November 2015
F2.4 Administrative Reminders
Next Full WG Session: January 17-22
1st CAC telecon – Dec 14th at noon ET (-5 weeks)
Initial objectives/agendas should be uploaded as mentor documents (.ppt format) or send to chair (.xls tab format) before the telecon.
Meeting date set to meet 30-day agenda submission deadline.
2nd CAC telecon – Jan 11th at noon ET (-1 week)
Snapshots to be send to Dorothy Stanley before this telecon.
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17. F2.5 Letters of Assurance Database is here 5 requests for LoA pending:
November 2015
F2.5 Letters of Assurance
Database is here
5 requests for LoA pending:
Texas A&M University System (802.11n, .11ac, .11ad)
Blackberry (802.11ai)
HP (802.11ai)
Microsoft (802.11ai)
Was pending in last session:
NTT (patents have expired)
Broadcom (802.11ai)
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18. F2.6 Availability of documents- Nov 2015
November 2011
doc.: IEEE /0203r2
March 2014
November 2015
F2.6 Availability of documents- Nov 2015
Publication
Draft in
TechStreet
Draft in Members Area
Published in
Get 802?
Published by ISO?
IEEE P802.11REVmc
D4.0 $600 pdf
D4.3
IEEE P802.11ai
D6.0 $165 pdf
D6.1
IEEE P802.11ah
D5.0 $302 pdf
D5.0
IEEE P802.11ak
D1.3
IEEE P802.11aq
D3.0
IEEE Std af-2013
$201 print
Yes
IEEE Std ac-2013
$309 print
IEEE Std ad-2012
$371 print
IEEE Std ae-2012
$108 print
IEEE Std aa-2012
$185 print
IEEE Std
$556 print
** = request pending
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Bruce Kraemer (Marvell)

19. F2.7 802.11 drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
November 2011
doc.: IEEE /0203r2
March 2014
November 2015
F drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6
Drafts are sent to ISO during sponsor ballot to solicit comments.
Notice was sent (in October) to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 soliciting comment on P802.11ai D6.0 and P802.11ah D5.0.
Approved drafts may also be sent during working group ballot.
Any comments received from ISO are processed by the comment resolution committee
No comments outstanding
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Andrew Myles, Cisco

20. F6.2 - Survey of attendance reporting
November 2015
F6.2 - Survey of attendance reporting
At the last meeting, manual counts were taken of the number of people present in the room at the half-way point of each meeting.
As 75% attendance in a meeting is required to claim attendance, everybody claiming attendance should be present at this point
The counts recorded from the IMAT attendance system were captures and compared.
See the following slides
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21. F6.2 - Recorded counts from the minutes
November 2015
F6.2 - Recorded counts from the minutes
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22. F6.2 - Counts from IMAT November 2015
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23. F6.2 - Ratio: IMAT/physical (where physical was recorded)
November 2015
F6.2 - Ratio: IMAT/physical (where physical was recorded)
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24. F6.2 - How should we respond to this data?
November 2015
F6.2 - How should we respond to this data?
Should we care?
Should we ask IEEE 802 for guidance?
Should we try to change IEEE 802 rules?
Should we attempt to identify the those abusing the system?
How do we define participation?
What behaviours are we trying to encourage, and what discourage?
How does a tool impede or enable “real work?”
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25. Comments from WG members
November 2015
Comments from WG members
We're wrong about the rules
We're wrong about interpretation of the statistics
We should be more "collegial". Focus more on getting the work done
Trade attendance at plenaries vs missing a ballot
Rules are imperfect, and it's clear some are cheating
Attendance for registration has its own problems "buying votes". Don't put too much effort into addressing this - fix obvious abuses.
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26. November 2015
Discussion is itself borderline offensive. We are here to develop standards. We are giving up time and money. We are the customers. Should completely disconnect voting rights from attendance.
It is reasonable that voting membership should be based on attendance. Current requirements are not onerous. But it's an annoyance to record attendance. Perhaps less granular attendance.
Should not restrict voting membership to attendees at f2f meetings. Too high a bar. We shouldn't waste time, but only address egregious offense. People are imperfect.
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27. Attendance for picking up your badge.
November 2015
Attendance for picking up your badge.
Attendance as a proxy for skill-set / expertise. Not sure this works well.
Voting in a WG letter ballot does not allow abstain except for lack of expertise -> excessive "yes" voters. Should support "abstain - don't care". Skewed letter ballot results.
Need to keep track of active participation. Some people have difficulty achieving 75% due to other commitments, e.g. ad-hoc meetings. Contributors should be given flexibility. Perhaps a 1 per day recording of attendance.
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28. November 2015
Recording attendance by TG and slot determines level of participation and interest. Our standards don't get improved by tracking more closely. Coarser granularity good enough for voting status.
2 conflicting requirements for recording: voting status and participation in any particular TG. Should keep recording per slot for participation. Should allow shared attendance in one slot.
We currently have a request to IEEE-SA staff to modify tools to track both attendance and presence. Attendance should be by WG, not TG. Presence by TG.
Motion: Attendance requirements shall be considered satisfied by attendee who has registered for as primary group, when the badge is picked up.
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29. November 2015
Motion approved in WG11
Direct the WG leadership to investigate the necessary changes in rules and procedures to enable “Attendance requirements shall be considered satisfied by attendee who has registered for as primary group, when the badge is picked up”, and report back to the WG in the January 2016 session.
Moved: Knut Odman
Seconded: Paul Lambert
Result: Passes
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30. F7.1 802 Wireless Chairs meeting
November 2015
F Wireless Chairs meeting
The wireless chairs meeting makes decisions related to the operation of the wireless interim meetings, such as location and cost.
The meeting is open to all.
If you are interested in these topics, please attend.
The wireless chairs meeting takes place at 4:00pm local time on the Sunday of 802 Plenary and 802 Wireless Interim sessions.
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31. F7.2 Next Meeting – LMSC Interim
November 2015
F7.2 Next Meeting – LMSC Interim
to at Hyatt Regency, Atlanta, GA
IEEE LMSC (802) Interim
All LMSC working groups will be present
Meeting Registration and Hotel Registration
are open
For information and registration links, see
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