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TGac Coex Ad Hoc Report November 2010
Month Year doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 TGac Coex Ad Hoc Report November 2010 Date: Authors: Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia John Doe, Some Company
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Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Slide 2 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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Register Indicate attendance Attendance
Register Indicate attendance See document r5 for more details Slide 3 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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Patent Policy Following 5 slides April 2007
doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Patent Policy Following 5 slides Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Instructions for the WG Chair
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Instructions for the WG Chair The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee: Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation Advise the WG attendees that: The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws; Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged; There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development. Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting: That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown; That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance. It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference. Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board. (Optional to be shown) Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Patent Related Links Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation
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Ad Hoc Scope Initial guideline from 09/1175r1 OBSS Management
Multi-Channel Non-contiguous channelization MC MAC protocol > 80MHz channel Backwards compatibility CCA Channel access Fairness Scanning and channel selection Slide 10 Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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Agenda: Tuesday, November 9, 2010 10:30– 12:30
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0 Agenda: Tuesday, November 9, :30– 12:30 Call meeting to Order Attendance Recording Reminder Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property and Inappropriate Topics Discussion on Presentation Order Submissions Next meeting November 11 (Thu), AM2 (10:30-12:30) Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Osama Aboul-Magd (Samsung)
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Submissions 10/1294, "System Capacity Evaluation in OBSS Environment at 5 GHz band," Tomoki Murakami (NTT) 10/1289, "RTS CTS Operation for Wider Bandwidth," Michelle Gong (Intel) 10/1280, "CCA for RTS/CTS Operation in Wider Channels," Simone Merlin (Qualcomm) 10/1281, "BW-and-static-dynamic-indication-within-legacy," Brian Hart (Cisco Systems) 10/1274, "Non contiguous 40+40Mhz for Europe/Japan/Global," Philippe Christin (France Telecom) 10/1233, "Overlapping BSS Co-Existence," Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) 10/1271, "Protection of IEEE ac Downlink with Single-RTS-Multiple-CTS”, Haiguang Wang, Jaya Shankar, Zhongding Lei Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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Agenda: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:30– 12:30
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0 Agenda: Thursday, November 11, :30– 12:30 Call meeting to Order Attendance Recording Reminder Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property and Inappropriate Topics Submissions Teleconference Schedule Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Osama Aboul-Magd (Samsung)
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Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 1 (1289r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the following signaling method? One bit in TBD-RTS frame to indicate dynamic BW operation (the bit setting to 1 indicates a transmitting STA uses dynamic BW operation) Two bits in TBD-RTS frame and TBD-CTS frame to indicate available bandwidth (i.e. 20/40/80/160 MHz) Y/N/A: 40/0/13 Pre-motion passed Michelle Gong, Intel
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Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 2 (1289r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the channel width selection rules for TBD-RTS/TBD-CTS defined as follows? Y/N/A: 42/0/12 Premotion passes CH_BANDWIDTH RXVECTOR value TXVECTOR value NON_HT_CBW20 NON_HT_CBW40 NON_HT_CBW20 or NON_HT_CBW40 NON_HT_CBW80 NON_HT_CBW20 or NON_HT_CBW40 or NON_HT_CBW80 NON_HT_CBW160 NON_HT_CBW20 or NON_HT_CBW40 or NON_HT_CBW80 or NON_HT_CBW160 Michelle Gong, Intel
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Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 3 (1289r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the following protocol rule? If an initiator operates in dynamic operation mode: Upon receiving a TBD-RTS frame and if NAV at the responder is not set, a responder shall respond with a non-HT TBD-CTS over the primary channel and may respond over the secondary channels that are indicated in the TBD-RTS and that have been detected idle by the responder (all transmissions shall use a valid PHY mode, i.e. 20/40/80/80+80/160MHz) Y/N/A: 42/0/12 Premotion passes Michelle Gong, Intel
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Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 4 (1289r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the following protocol rule? If an initiator does not operate in dynamic operation mode: Upon receiving a TBD-RTS frame, a responder shall respond with a non-HT duplicate TBD-CTS frame over all channels indicated in the TBD-RTS frame only if all secondary channels indicated in the TBD-RTS frame have been detected idle by the responder (a valid PHY mode shall be used, i.e. 20/40/80/80+80/160MHz) Y/N/A: 40/0/11 Premotion passes Michelle Gong, Intel
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Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 5 (1289r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the following protocol rule? Upon receiving a TBD-CTS frame, an initiator shall not transmit data frames using more bandwidth than the BW indicated in the TBD-CTS frame (all transmissions shall use a valid PHY mode, i.e. 20/40/80/80+80/160MHz) Y/N/A: 38/0/12 Premotion passes Michelle Gong, Intel
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Simone Merlin, Qualcomm
Nov. 2010 Pre-motion 6 (1280r2) Do you support updating the TGac spec framework to include the following rules for RTS/CTS exchange in multiple channels? If an initiator operates in dynamic mode: Upon receiving a TBD-RTS frame and if NAV at the responder is not set, a responder shall respond with a non-HT TBD-CTS over the primary channel and may include secondary channels that are indicated in the TBD-RTS and that have been indicated idle by the PHY-CCA.indication primitive during an interval of PIFS before the RTS frame (all transmissions shall use a valid PHY mode, i.e. 20/40/80/80+80/160MHz). If an initiator operates in static mode: Upon receiving a TBD-RTS frame, a responder shall respond with a non-HT duplicate TBD-CTS frame over all channels indicated in the TBD-RTS frame only if all secondary channels indicated in the TBD-RTS frame have been indicated idle by at least the following condition: the PHY-CCA.indication primitive indicated idle state during an interval of PIFS before the RTS frame A valid PHY mode shall be used, i.e. 20/40/80/80+80/160MHz Y/N/A: 33/0/11 Premotion passes Simone Merlin, Qualcomm
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Pre-Motion 7 (1281r1) Do you support adding to the Specification Frame Work document, the insertion of the Bandwidth and Static/Dynamic indications into the First 7 Bits in Scrambling Sequence as per Slides 6 and 7, with the insertion signaled by the Multicast/Unicast bit of the TA as per Slide 8 (excluding the informative blue text) Y/N/A: 33/0/10
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Agenda: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:30– 12:30
doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0 Agenda: Thursday, November 11, :30– 12:30 Call meeting to Order Attendance Recording Reminder Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property and Inappropriate Topics Submissions 10/1274, "Non contiguous 40+40Mhz for Europe/Japan/Global," Philippe Christin (France Telecom) 10/1233, "Overlapping BSS Co-Existence," Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia) 10/1271, "Protection of IEEE ac Downlink with Single-RTS-Multiple-CTS”, Haiguang Wang, Jaya Shankar, Zhongding Lei Teleconference Schedule Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia Osama Aboul-Magd (Samsung)
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Pre-Motion #? (template) Yes: No: Abstain:
Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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Strawpoll #? (template) Yes: No: Abstain:
Yusuke Asai, Youhan Kim, Eldad Perahia
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