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TGn Meeting Report - July 13 ‘09
doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 TGn Meeting Report - July 13 ‘09 Date: 2009-July-09 Authors: Name Company Address Phone Bruce Kraemer Marvell +1 - 321 4 27 4098 marvell .com 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Welcome to San Francisco, CA July Hyatt Embarcadero Meeting Room = N (Pacific Concourse) One room – no parallel sessions Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2009 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Slide 3 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Register Indicate attendance Attendance
July 2009 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Slide 4 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Attendance, Voting & Document Status
July 2009 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Slide 5 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Policies July 2009 Policies and Procedures:
doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Policies Policies and Procedures: IEEE Patent Policy - Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes July be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures – Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder July have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 - July 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2009 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 – July 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
July 2009 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 – July 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches July be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 – July 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Minutes July 2009 Slide 11 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Minutes of May ’09 11-09-0565r0 Executive Summary:
July 2009 TGn Minutes of May ’ r0 Executive Summary: TGn met for 5 time slots. During this session, the resolutions for comments from SB2 were resolved and a P802.11n D10.0 has been created and the draft shall be sent out for recirculation. A plan for completion was crafted. A new timeline will be published. Contingency plans noting a path for completion, using various options was presented. Dependency on TGw was documented as part of the contingency planning. Slide 12 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2009 Approve Minutes Motion to approve May ‘09 (Montreal) TGn minutes as contained in r0 Move: Jon Rosdahl Second: Slide 13 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn CRC Teleconference Minutes
July 2009 TGn CRC Teleconference Minutes SB#3 CRC minutes r0 (posted Jun 14) SB#4 CRC minutes r0 (posted Jun 25) SB#5 CRC minutes r0 (posted Jul 08) Motion to approve TGn telecon minutes as listed. Move: Jon Rosdahl Second: Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting
July 2009 TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting Slide 15 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Ad Hoc Organization
July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 TGn Ad Hoc Organization Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader In SF? PHY Vinko Erceg Yes MAC Matt Fischer Coexistence Eldad Perahia GEN Joseph Levy No Editorial Adrian Stephens CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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One Page History of TGn July 2009 July 2009 July 2008
doc.: IEEE /0748r5 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 One Page History of TGn July 2009 HTSG formed – First meeting (Sep-11-’02 Monterey) TGn formed – First meeting (Sep-15-’03 Singapore) Began call for proposals (July 17 ’04 Garden Grove) 32 First round presentations (Sep 13 ’04 Berlin) Down selected to one proposal (Mar ’05 Atlanta) –first confirm vote failed. Confirmation vote #2 failed - reset to 3 proposals -left the July ‘05 meeting with a serious deadlock. (Cairns) 3 proposal groups agreed to a joint proposal activity (Jul ’05 San Francisco) JP proposal accepted by vote of 184/0/4, editor instructed to create draft (Jan ’06 Waikoloa) Baseline specification converted into Draft 1.0 (335p). Letter ballot issued (LB84) July 20, ’06 (Denver) and closed on April 29, ‘06 (failed) Draft 1.0 Comment resolution begins (May ’06 Jacksonville) Approved 6711 editorial and 1041 technical resolutions; Created Draft (Jul ’06 San Diego) Approved 568 technical resolutions (Sep ’06 Melbourne); Created Draft 1.06 (388p) Approved 703 technical resolutions (Nov ’06 Dallas); Created Draft 1.09 (444p) Approved 496 technical resolutions (Jan ’07 London); created D (500p); went to WG letter ballot Feb 7, ’07 with D 2.0; closed July 9, ’07 LB97 on TGn D2.0 passed with 83.4% approval. (Mar ’07 Orlando) Began comment resolution on with target of Draft 3.0 completion and release to ballot in Sep ’07. Approved 1470 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Also approved 450 technical comment resolutions. (May 07 Montreal) Cumulative insertion of resolutions contained in TGn draft (494p) Approved 750 technical resolutions and approved TGn draft (July 07 San Francisco) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (498p) Approved 507 technical resolutions and approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 3.0 (544p). (Sep 07 Waikoloa) Recirculation passed. Approved 282 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Approved 97 technical resolutions. (Nov 07 Atlanta) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (558p) Approved 313 technical comment resolutions (Jan ‘08 Taipei). Cumulative approved comments now in D3.03. Additional ad hoc comment resolutions contained in speculative edits D3.04, D3.05, D3.06. Approved 190 technical comment resolutions (Mar ’08 Orlando). Approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 4.0 (547p). Approved 349 comment resolutions (May ’08 Jacksonville). Approved recirculation ballot (LB129) for TGn draft 5.0 (547p). Ballot closed June 12 with 1112 comments. Approved 1112 comment resolutions (July ’08 Denver). Approved recirculation ballot (LB134) for TGn draft 6.0 (557p). Ballot closed August 12 with 195 comments. Approved 195 comment resolutions (Sep ’08 Waikoloa). Approved recirculation ballot (LB136) for TGn draft 7.0 (557p). Ballot closed Sep 30 with 48 comments. Approved 48 comment resolutions resulting from LB136 (Nov ’08 Dallas). Approved recirculation ballot (LB138). Granted conditional approval to move to Sponsor ballot. Zero no votes received. Moved ahead with Sponsor ballot. Sponsor Ballot closed Jan 10 ’ comments received, 77.8 % affirmative. TGn CRC began Sponsor ballot comment resolution (Jan ’09 Los Angeles). Completed comment resolution, prepared D8.0 and began 1st SB recirc 19 Feb 09 which closed 06 Mar Comments received % affirmative. Completed comment resolution (Mar ’09 Vancouver) and began 2nd sponsor recirc which closed April 04 and generated 28 Comments for which resolutions are underway. Completed resolution of 28 comments from SB2 (May’09 Montreal), generated new draft (D10.0) for SB3 which received 20 comments. Prior to July meeting also completed comment resolution, created D11.0 for SB4 which generated 15 comments and subsequently SB5 which received one comment. No additional draft changes or ballots are planned. Slide 17 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM) Page 17 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn – Sponsor Ballot Recirc #1
July 2009 TGn – Sponsor Ballot Recirc #1 IEEE Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 asked the question “Should P802.11N Draft 8.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” The official results for the 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 follow: Ballot Opening Date: Thursday February 19 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Friday March 06, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSE RATE: This ballot has met the 50% returned ballot ratio requirement This ballot has met the <30% abstention ratio requirement 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 169 affirmative votes 42 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 232 votes received = 83 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 169 affirmative votes = % affirmative 42 total negative votes = % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #2
July 2009 TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #2 IEEE P802.11n 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #2 asked the question “Should P802.11n Draft 9.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” Ballot Opening Date: Thursday March 20 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Friday April 04, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSES: 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 171 affirmative votes 41 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 229 votes received = 83 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 171 affirmative votes = 80.7 % affirmative 41 total negative votes = 19.3 % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #3
July 2009 TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #3 IEEE P802.11n 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #3 asked the question “Should P802.11n Draft 10.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” Ballot Opening Date: Friday May 15 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Saturday May 30, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSES: 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 190 affirmative votes 26 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 237 votes received = 86 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 190 affirmative votes = 88.0 % affirmative 26 total negative votes = 12.0 % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #4
July 2009 TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #4 IEEE P802.11n 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #4 asked the question “Should P802.11n Draft 11.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” Ballot Opening Date: Friday June 05 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Saturday June 20, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSES: 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 195 affirmative votes 22 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 238 votes received = 83 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 195 affirmative votes = 89.9 % affirmative 22 total negative votes = 10.1 % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #5
July 2009 TGn - Sponsor Ballot Recirc #5 IEEE P802.11n 10 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #5 asked the question “Should P802.11n Draft 11.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” Ballot Opening Date: Tuesday June 23 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Friday July 03, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSES: 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 198 affirmative votes 20 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 238 votes received = 86 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 198 affirmative votes = 90.8 % affirmative 20 total negative votes = 9.2 % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Primary San Francisco Meeting Documents
July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Primary San Francisco Meeting Documents SB #0-5 Comment Composite r16 July Meeting Report r0 Closing Report r0 May Meeting Minutes r0 SB#3 Telecon minutes r0 SB#4 Telecon minutes r0 SB#5 Telecon minutes r0 TGn Draft EC presentation r1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July TGn CRC Agenda July 2009 Slide 24 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July 2009 Master Schedule Plan Nov ’08 - Requested (conditional) approval for sponsor ballot Sponsor ballot pool formed during July/August ‘08 Released Draft 7.0 to SB #0 in November ’08 Released Draft 8.0 to SB #1 recirc in Feb ‘09 Begin & Complete SB #1 comment resolution in July Release Draft 9.0 for SB #2 before April 1 Release Draft 10.0 for SB #3 by May 18 Prepare for July EC Request to go to RevCom unconditional approval preferred Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July WG11 Agenda July 13 July 14 July 15 July 16 am1 am2 pm1 pm2 eve
lunch pm1 pm2 dinner eve Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn CRC – July ‘09 Schedule – Topics
doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 TGn CRC – July ‘09 Schedule – Topics July 13 July 14 July 15 July 16 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X Full TGn Opening reports am 2 10:30-12:30 lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 pm 2 16:00-18:00 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Review Status
July 2008 July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Review Status General Order – TGn Full Monday – no meetings Tuesday – no meetings Wednesday – Opening report , Status review, EC presentation CRC Plans from July to September Teleconference plan? Timeline review Thursday - Fix any problems unresolved on Wednesday Any other Business for the agenda? Slide 28 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM) Page 28 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Approve Work Plan Agenda
July 2009 Approve Work Plan Agenda Motion to approve July ’09 TGn agenda as contained on slide (with any minuted amendments) as contained in 0659 r1. Move: Second: Slide 29 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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May Schedule Plans July 2009 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat 10 11 12 13
14 20 21 27 28 01 03 04 17 18 22 24 25 02 06 08 09 15 16 July SB#3 ballot start July TGw ballot close July SB#3 ballot close Jun telecon telecon SB#4 ballot start Jun Jun EC package SB#4 ballot close Jun Clean draft ballot start telecon telecon Jul Jul Clean draft ballot close telecon Jul EC presentation Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Actual Events July 2009 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 20 21 22 23 27 28 01 03 04 05 17 18 24 25 26 02 06 08 09 July SB#3 ballot start July TGw ballot close July SB#3 ballot close Jun telecon telecon SB#4 ballot start Jun Jun EC package SB#4 ballot close Jun telecon Clean draft ballot start Jul Clean draft ballot close Jul telecon Jul EC presentation Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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2009 Timeline – July EC Unconditional
Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Prelim EC package Wed Jun 17 EC review Fri Jul 17 RevCom Package Fri Jul 31 RevCom Meeting Thu Sep 10 StdsBd Meeting Fri Sep 11 Jul Aug Sep Oct 40 days 13-17 31 Oct Nov Dec 16-20 50 days 09 7 8 9 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Timeline – Published
July 2009 doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 TGn Timeline – Published Event Name Accepted Dates Actual Previously Published CURRENTLY pUBLISHED PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Dec ‘08 Recirculation Sponsor Ballot Jan ‘09 Final WG Approval Nov ‘09 Jul ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Jan ‘10 Publication Mar ‘10 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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802 OM- Clause 13- Conditional Approval
July 2009 802 OM- Clause 13- Conditional Approval Conditions: a) Recirculation ballot is completed. Generally, the recirculation ballot and resolution should occur in accordance with the schedule presented at the time of conditional approval. b) After resolution of the recirculation ballot is completed, the approval percentage is at least 75% and there are no new valid DISAPPROVE votes. c) No technical changes, as determined by the WG Chair, were made as a result of the recirculation ballot. d) No new valid DISAPPROVE comments on new issues that are not resolved to the satisfaction of the submitter from existing DISAPPROVE voters. e) If the WG Chair determines that there is a new invalid DISAPPROVE comment or vote, the WG Chair shall promptly provide details to the Sponsor. f) The WG Chair shall immediately report the results of the ballot to the Sponsor including: the date the ballot closed, vote tally and comments associated with any remaining disapproves (valid and invalid), the WG responses and the rationale for ruling any vote invalid. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Moving thru EC to RevCom
July 2009 Moving thru EC to RevCom TGn EC RevCom report in preparation r1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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July ’09 to Sep ‘09 TGn Teleconference Plan
doc.: IEEE /0659r1 July 2009 July ’09 to Sep ‘09 TGn Teleconference Plan Call time: 11:00 – 13:00 ET Call number: Wednesday Blocking events Topic Meeting chair Bridge # Passcode July 15 Plenary July 22 EC result July 29 RevCom Pack Aug 05 Aug 12 Aug 19 Aug 26 Sep 02 Sep 09 Sep 16 Sep 23 Interim Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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End of Chair's Opening Report
July 2009 End of Chair's Opening Report Slide 37 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Any other business? July 2009 Slide 38 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Recess July 2009 Slide 39 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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