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1 TGmb Agenda, November 2008 Date: 2008-11-10 Authors: November 2008
doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 TGmb Agenda, November 2008 Date: Authors: Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

2 November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Abstract Agenda for the TGmb meeting held in Dallas, TX, USA from November 10-14, 2008. Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

3 Agenda Administrivia TGmb revision status & schedule
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Agenda Administrivia Agenda review Attendance recording & meeting resources Policies & procedures (including patent policy) Approval of prior meeting minutes TGmb revision status & schedule Interpretation request Issue review & resolution Plans for next meeting Authorize teleconferences & ad hocs Review timeline AOB Adjourn Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

4 Attendance recording Attendance Documentation
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Attendance recording Attendance opening-network-information-attendance-and-documentation-for-january-2008-session.ppt Must register before logging attendance Must log attendance during each 2 hour session Documentation Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

5 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

6 Patent Related Links November 2008
doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

7 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 Call for Potentially Essential Patents November 2008 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

8 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

9 Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Resources – URLs Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines Link to IEEE Code of Ethics Link to IEEE Patent Policy Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

10 IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Meeting Etiquette IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization. Individuals are to address the “Technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter. The Copyright Act of 1976 made a dramatic change to U.S. copyright law. Copyright was now deemed to exist from the moment of creation. Thus anything that is created is deemed to be owned by its creator. Additionally, a work no longer needs to be published in order to be protected. Therefore, even your scribbles on a piece of note paper constitute copyrighted material that you own and control. The NII (National Information Infrastructure) and the GII (Global Information Infrastructure) are causing lawmakers and copyright owners to assess the ability of current copyright law to protect owners rights in a digital environment. While at this point the changes being talked about are not significant, they will make it clear that copyright protection is afforded to owners in the digital environment making it a requirement to honor the rights accorded to owners. It is a requirement under the IEEE Bylaws that copyright ownership of all material published by the IEEE resides with the IEEE. The Standards Department accomplishes the transfer of copyright ownership from the volunteer authors to the Institute via the Project Authorization Request (PAR) form. Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

11 Approval of prior meeting minutes
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Approval of prior meeting minutes September 2008 (Waikoloa, Hawai‘i): 11-08/1114r1 Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

12 November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 TGmb timeline Call for comments on closed yesterday (November 10, 2008) Future projected dates March 2009: Initial letter ballot November 2009: Initial sponsor ballot March 2011: RevCom approval Plan of record on next slide for reference Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

13 TGmb Plan of Record May 2008 – Issue Call for Comment/Input
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 TGmb Plan of Record May 2008 – Issue Call for Comment/Input July 2008 – begin process input and old Interpretation requests Acknowledge previous Task Group referrals Sept 2008 – PAR revision process started Nov 2008 – close receipt of new input Nov 2008 – WG/EC approval of PAR Revision Dec 2008 – NesCom/SASB approval PAR Revision Mar 2009 first WG Letter ballot (includes All published Amendments as of Mar 2009) July/Sept 2009 Recirc start Sept 2009 – Form Sponsor Pool Nov 2009 – Sponsor Ballot Start (Include all published amendments as of Nov 2009) Mar 2010 – Sponsor Recirc Nov 2010 – WG/EC Final Approval Mar 2011 – RevCom/SASB Approval Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

14 Interpretation Request #1
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Interpretation Request #1 Request received from Johannes Berg : In , section ("Setup procedure at the AP") [for DLS] notes: "[...] Send DLS Response frame to the STA that sent the DLS Request frame with a result code of Not a STA, if the destination STA [...]“ Is this meant to say "[...] Send DLS Response frame to the STA that sent the DLS Request frame with a result code of Not QoS STA, if the destination STA [...]“ (note "Not QoS STA") Note: emphasis added Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

15 Data points for Interpretation Request
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Data points for Interpretation Request Text appears on page 458 of Table 11-6 on page 458 of maps result codes for primitives into status codes Table has codes for NOT_ALLOWED, NOT_PRESENT, and NOT_QOS_STA Table 7-23 (status codes) on pp of has code 50 for “The Destination STA is not a QoS STA” but does not have a status code for “not a STA” Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

16 Issue Review & Resolution
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Issue Review & Resolution Responses to initial call for comments are consolidated as 11-08/1127r3 After adding approved amendments (see timeline on next slide) to , editor should incorporate resolutions to these initial issues Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

17 Amendment Ordering Data as of Sept 2008 from 802.11 web November 2008
July 2007 November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Amendment reordering is discussed by editors at each session and adjusted based on current timeline estimates Amendment Ordering Data as of Sept 2008 from web See Amendment Number Task Group REVCOM Date Amendment 1 TGk July Published Amendment 2 TGr July Published Amendment 3 TGy Sept/Dec Pending Amendment 4 TGw Dec 2009 (was Sep 2009) Amendment 5 TGn Sept 2009 (was June 2009) Amendment 6 TGz Sept 2009 Amendment 7 TGp Dec 2009 Amendment 8 (was 9) TGv Mar 2010 (was Dec 2009) Amendment 9 (was 10) TGu Mar 2010 Amendment 10 (was 8) TGs July 2010 (was Dec 2009) TGT Disbanded Revision 802.11mb Mar 2011 Slide 17 Terry L Cole (AMD) Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Page 17 Terry Cole (AMD) Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks

18 Closing tasks Need for teleconferences? Review timeline
November 2008 doc.: IEEE /1330r0 November 2008 Closing tasks Need for teleconferences? Review timeline Preparation for January 2009 interim meeting AOB Adjourn Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks Matthew Gast, Trapeze Networks


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