1. TGmb Agenda and Report May 2008
doc: IEEE /0588r0
May 2008
May 2008
TGmb Agenda and Report May 2008
Date:
Authors:
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

2. doc: IEEE /0588r0
May 2008
May 2008
Abstract
Agenda, meeting slides and closing report for TGmb for May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

3. Agenda Meeting Call to Order
May 2008
Agenda
Meeting Call to Order
REVIEW IEEE/802 & POLICIES and RULES
APPROVE OR MODIFY AGENDA (including approval of previous minutes)
Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary
Process new interpretation requests -1 request
Begin framework identifying amendments to include in next revision of the standard
New Business
Adjourn
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

4. Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
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May 2008
May 2008
Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants:
“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents
“Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims
“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)
The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group
Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2
Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged
No duty to perform a patent search
Slide #1
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

5. Patent Related Links Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
May 2008
Patent Related Links
All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.
Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws
IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual
Material about the patent policy is available at
If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit
This slide set is available at
Slide #2
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

6. Call for Potentially Essential Patents
May 2008
Call for Potentially Essential Patents
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
Either speak up now or
Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
Cause an LOA to be submitted
Slide #3
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

7. Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
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May 2008
May 2008
Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
Technical considerations remain primary focus
Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.
See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
Slide #4
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

8. May 2008
Agenda
Meeting Call to Order
REVIEW IEEE/802 & POLICIES and RULES
APPROVE OR MODIFY AGENDA (including approval of previous minutes)
Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary
Process new interpretation requests – 1 request
Begin framework identifying amendments to include in next revision of the standard
New Business
Adjourn
Approved without objection
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

9. Agenda Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary May 2008
Meeting Call to Order
REVIEW IEEE/802 & POLICIES and RULES
APPROVE OR MODIFY AGENDA (including approval of previous minutes)
Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary
Process new interpretation requests – 1 request
Begin framework identifying amendments to include in next revision of the standard
New Business
Adjourn
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

10. Agenda Process new interpretation requests – 1 Request May 2008
Meeting Call to Order
REVIEW IEEE/802 & POLICIES and RULES
APPROVE OR MODIFY AGENDA (including approval of previous minutes)
Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary
Process new interpretation requests – 1 Request
Begin framework identifying amendments to include in next revision of the standard
New Business
Adjourn
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

11. Interpretation Request #1
May 2008
Interpretation Request #1
Introduction:
Service Providers use Multi-SSID many ways:
extra SSID for particular use-case, device-class, WEP...
very important for non-enterprise (hotspots, homes...)
But…There are interop issues
Beacon timing
Some devices cannot cope with a variable or very-short beacon interval
no problems if 50mSec apart, BUT t=SIF gives problems with some devices !
Needs defining for multi-SSIDs
All clients need to cope with such timing
Spacing beacons by just SIFS/DIFS
Question:
If an AP device is generating multiple BSSID signals what is the proper spacing between those SSIDs?
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

12. Interpretation Request Response #1
May 2008
Interpretation Request Response #1
The IEEE only defines one MAC/PHY pair as a STA. When a product virtualizes multiple STAs within the same physical device, the interaction of the virtual STAs are currently outside the scope of the standard, however the use of multiple BSSID/SSID functionality is currently being defined.
The commenter (and others interested) are invited to come and participate with the WG.
Moved to approve the Interpretation Request Response #1:
Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd David Hunter -
Passed: 5-0-0
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

13. May 2008
Agenda
Meeting Call to Order
REVIEW IEEE/802 & POLICIES and RULES
APPROVE OR MODIFY AGENDA (including approval of previous minutes)
Call for Nomination -- TGmb Chair/Editor/Secretary
Process new interpretation requests - TBD
Begin framework identifying amendments to include in next revision of the standard
New Business
Adjourn
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

14. Following Slide from Editor Report doc: 11-08-559r0
May 2008
Following Slide from Editor Report
doc: r0
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

15. Amendment Ordering Data as of March 30 from 802.11 web May 2008
doc: IEEE /0588r0
May 2008
July 2007
May 2008
May 2008
Amendment reordering was discussed by editors Mar 30 based on current timeline estimates and resulted announced herein.
Amendment numbering is editorial! No need to make ballot comments on these dynamic numbers!
Amendment Ordering
Data as of March 30 from web
See
Amendment Number
Task Group
REVCOM Date
Amendment 1
TGk
Mar 2008 (sic)
Amendment 2
TGr
June 2008
Amendment 3
TGy
Amendment 4
TGw
Sept 2009 (was Mar 2009)
Amendment 5
TGn
TBA (EC approve Jun 2009)
Amendment 6 (was 7)
TGz
Sept 2009
Amendment 7 (was 8)
TGp
Dec 2009
Amendment 8 (was 9)
TGs
TGT
Amendment 9 (was 10)
TGv
Amendment 10 (was 6)
TGu
Mar 2010 (was Sept 2009)
Revision
802.11mb
Mar 2011
Slide 15
Terry L Cole (AMD)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)
Page 15
Terry Cole (AMD)

16. Following Slide from TGmb March Minutes doc: 11-08-0391r0
May 2008
Following Slide from TGmb March Minutes
doc: r0
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

17. March Comparison of TGma timeline with proposed TGmb
May 2008
March Comparison of TGma timeline with proposed TGmb
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

18. Call for Comment/Input
May 2008
Call for Comment/Input
Motion: Issue a Call for Comment/Input on the plus approved RevCom amendments.
Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd Dave Hunter
Passed: 6 – 0 – 0
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

19. TGmb Plan of Record May 2008 – Issue Call for Comment/Input
July 2008 – begin process input and old Interpretation requests
Acknowledge previous Task Group referrals
Sept 2008 – Start PAR Revision process
Nov 2008 – close receipt of new input
Nov 2008 – WG/EC approval of PAR Revision
Dec 2008 – NesCom/SASB approval PAR Revision
Mar/May 2009 first WG Letter ballot
(includes All published Amendments as of Mar/May 2009)
July/Sept 2009 Recirc start
Sept 2009 – Form Sponsor Pool
Nov 2009 – Sponsor Ballot Start
(Include all published amendments as of Nov 2009)
Mar 2010 – Sponsor Recirc
Nov 2010 – WG/EC Final Approval
Mar 2011 – RevCom/SASB Approval
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

20. Motion #3 Motion to approve the TGmb Plan of Record.
May 2008
Motion #3
Motion to approve the TGmb Plan of Record.
Moved: David Hunter, 2nd Wayne Fisher
6-0-0
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

21. New Business None: Adjourn : Moved by David Hunter, 2nd Wayne Fisher
May 2008
New Business
None:
Adjourn :
Moved by David Hunter, 2nd Wayne Fisher
Unanimous as everyone left the room
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

22. May 2008 Interim Session Jacksonville, Florida
TGmb Closing Report
May 2008 Interim Session
Jacksonville, Florida
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

23. Goals for May 2008 Elect a TG Chair/Secretary/Editor/Issue Tracker
Process new interpretation requests
Review and process work items for maintenance/revision of the Standard
Review and revise Timeline
Planning for July 2008 plenary session
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

24. Call for Nominations TGmb Chair TGmb Issues Tracker TGmb Secretary
May 2008
Call for Nominations
TGmb Chair
TGmb Issues Tracker
TGmb Secretary
TGmb Editor
No Takers – Jon Rosdahl to continue Chair Pro-temp
Thanks to Stephen McCann for acting as Secretary this week.
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

25. Interpretation Request #1
May 2008
Interpretation Request #1
Introduction:
Service Providers use Multi-SSID many ways:
extra SSID for particular use-case, device-class, WEP...
very important for non-enterprise (hotspots, homes...)
But…There are interop issues
Beacon timing
Some devices cannot cope with a variable or very-short beacon interval
no problems if 50mSec apart, BUT t=SIF gives problems with some devices !
Needs defining for multi-SSIDs
All clients need to cope with such timing
Spacing beacons by just SIFS/DIFS
Question:
If an AP device is generating multiple BSSID signals what is the proper spacing between those SSIDs?
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

26. Interpretation Request Response #1
May 2008
Interpretation Request Response #1
The IEEE only defines one MAC/PHY pair as a STA. When a product virtualizes multiple STAs within the same physical device, the interaction of the virtual STAs are currently outside the scope of the standard, however the use of multiple BSSID/SSID functionality is currently being defined.
The commenter (and others interested) are invited to come and participate with the WG.
Moved to approve the Interpretation Request Response #1: Stephen McCann, 2nd David Hunter
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

27. TGmb Plan of Record May 2008 – Issue Call for Comment/Input
July 2008 – begin process input and old Interpretation requests
Acknowledge previous Task Group referrals
Sept 2008 – Start PAR Revision process
Nov 2008 – close receipt of new input
Nov 2008 – WG/EC approval of PAR Revision
Dec 2008 – NesCom/SASB approval PAR Revision
Mar/May 2009 first WG Letter ballot
(includes All published Amendments as of Mar/May 2009)
July/Sept 2009 Recirc start
Sept 2009 – Form Sponsor Pool
Nov 2009 – Sponsor Ballot Start
(Include all published amendments as of Nov 2009)
Mar 2010 – Sponsor Recirc
Nov 2010 – WG/EC Final Approval
Mar 2011 – RevCom/SASB Approval
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

28. CALL FOR COMMENT/INPUT
May 2008
CALL FOR COMMENT/INPUT
TGmb is requesting Comment/Input on the plus approved RevCom amendments.
Input period is from May 2008 until Nov 2008.
Presentations of proposed resolutions are expected to be posted to IEEE Mentor server, and notification sent to the m listserv reflector.
Notice was sent out on the WG Reflector on Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)

29. Goals for July Elect a TG Officers Process new interpretation requests
May 2008
Goals for July
Elect a TG Officers
TGmb Chair TGmb Secretary
TGmb Editor TGmb Comment Tracker
Process new interpretation requests
Review and process work items for maintenance/revision of the Standard
Planning for Sept 2008 plenary session
Jon Rosdahl (CSR)