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TGac March 2010 Agenda Date: 2010-03-15 Authors: March 2010 March 2010
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 TGac March 2010 Agenda Date: Authors: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Slide 2 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Register Indicate attendance Attendance
March 2010 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Slide 3 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Attendance, Voting & Document Status
March 2010 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Slide 4 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Patent Policy Following 5 slides March 2010 March 2010
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Patent Policy Following 5 slides Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Instructions for the WG Chair
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Instructions for the WG Chair The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee: Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation Advise the WG attendees that: The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws; Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged; There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development. Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting: That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown; That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance. It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference. Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board. (Optional to be shown) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Patent Related Links Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda Items for the Week
March 2010 Agenda Items for the Week Call for secretary Review from January 2010 Approve minutes from January 2010 Ad Hoc group meetings and straw polls Updating task group documents as needed Channel models Functional Requirements and Evaluation methodology Selection Procedure Specification Framework Technical Submissions Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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TGac Schedule in a Glance
March 2010 TGac Schedule in a Glance Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday AM1 AD Hoc MU-MIMO Coex PHY MAC Ad Hoc AM2 TGac Meeting TGac Meeting PM1 PM2 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Tentative TGac Agenda for the Week
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Tentative TGac Agenda for the Week Monday March 15th, 09:00 – 11:00 Ad Hoc Group Meetings Straw Polls Monday March 15th, 16:00 – 18:00 TG Meeting Call for secretary Patent policy, etc. Set agenda Call for submissions Review from January Approve minutes from January Presentations TG motions, if any Tuesday March 16th, 08:00 – 10:00 Presentations and Straw Polls Tuesday March 16th, 10:30 – 12:30 TG Meeting Ad Hocs reports and motions Wednesday March 17th, 08:00 – 10:00 Ad Hoc Group Meetings Presentations and Straw Polls Thursday March 18th , 10:30 – 12:30 Call for secretary Ad Hoc group reports and straw polls TG Motions Presentations Goals for March Conference calls Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Submissions March 2010 March 2010 doc.: IEEE 802.11-10/0251r3
PHY r0, “Preamble minor enhancement”, Brian Hart (Cisco Systems) r4, “802.11ac Preamble”, Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) r2, “Group ID Concept for DL MU-MIMO”, Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) r0, “Bit-Consideration-for-SIG-fields”, Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) r0, “MU-MIMO STA scheduling strategy and Related PHY signaling”, Daewon Lee (LG Electronics) r0, “80MHz Tone Allocation”, Marvell Semiconductor,. Inc r0, “802.11ac Preamble for VHT Auto-detection”, Il-Gu Lee (ETRI) r0, “Preamble Design Aspects for 11ac”, Yujin Noh (LG Electronics) MAC r3, “VHT Frame Padding”, Yong Liu (Marvell) r0, “VHT frame padding summary”, Yong Liu (Marvell) r0, “802.11ac MAC Frame Length Indication”, Jaewoo Park (ETRI) Coexistence r0, “Revisions of Home Network Simulation Scenario with OBSS”, Yusuke Asai (NTT) r0, “160 MHz PHY Transmission”, Youhan Kim (Atheros) r0, “80MHz and 160MHz channel access modes”, L. Cariou (Orange Labs) MU-MIMO 11-09/1234r1, “Interference Cancellation for Downlink MU-MIMO”, , Sameer Vermani (Qualcomm) 11-10/0334r0 , “PHY Abstraction for MU-MIMO in Tgac”, Riichi Kudo (NTT) 11-10/0332r0, “CSI Report for Explicit Feedback Beamforming in Downlink MU-MIMO”, Koichi Ishihara (NTT). r0, “DL MU MIMO Error Handling and Simulation”, Intel r0, “Considerations on MU-MIMO Protection in 11ac”, Jae Seung Lee (ETRI) TG r1, “DL-OFDMA for Mixed Clients”, Brian Hart (Cisco Systems) r0, “The need and complexity of in-home entertainment scenario with OBSS”, Yusuke ASAI (NTT) r11, “TGac Channel Model Addendum Documents”, Greg Briet, (Qualcomm) r5, “Proposed Specification Framework for TGac”, Robert Stacey (Intel) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Monday, March 15th, 09:00 – 11:00
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Monday, March 15th, 09:00 – 11:00 Ad Hoc Group Meetings MU-MIMO (Grand Sierra D) Coexistence (Bonaire 1) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Monday, March 15th, 16:00 – 18:00 (Caribbean 1/2)
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Monday, March 15th, 16:00 – 18:00 (Caribbean 1/2) TG Meeting Call for secretary Patent policy, etc. Set agenda Call for submissions Review from January Approve minutes from January TG documents and presentations TG motions, if any Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Review from January Motion passed to update the Specification Framework document to include a section on the MAC Technical presentations Task Group Approved Documents r10, TGac Channel Addendum Document r5, ac Proposed Selection Procedure r8, TGac Functional Requirements and Evaluation Methodology r3, Proposed Specification Framework for TGac Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 January TG Minutes Move to approve January 2010 TGac minutes as contained in r0 Move: Adrian Stephens (Intel) Second: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) Approved by unanimous consent Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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January Ad Hoc Minutes Move to approve Ad Hoc groups minutes
March 2010 January Ad Hoc Minutes Move to approve Ad Hoc groups minutes MAC: r0 (January Meeting) and r1 (Telecons) MU-MIMO: r1 PHY: r1 Coexistence: r3 Move: Allan Zhu (Samsung) Second: Sameer Vermani (Qualcomm) Approved by Unanimous consent Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Presentations for Monday PM2
March 2010 Presentations for Monday PM2 r0, “Considerations on MU-MIMO Protection in 11ac”, Jae Seung Lee (ETRI) r0, “The need and complexity of in-home entertainment scenario with OBSS”, Yusuke ASAI (NTT) r11, “TGac Channel Models Addnedum”, Greg Breit (Qualcomm) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Tuesday, March 16th, 08:00 – 10:00
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Tuesday, March 16th, 08:00 – 10:00 Ad Hoc Group Meetings PHY (Caribbean 1/2) MAC (Bonaire 1) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Tuesday, March 16th, 10:30 – 12:30 (Caribbean 1/2)
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Tuesday, March 16th, 10:30 – 12:30 (Caribbean 1/2) TG Meeting Ad Hoc reports and Motions MU-MIMO Motions PHY Motions Presentations r1, “DL-OFDMA for Mixed Clients”, Brian Hart (Cisco Systems) Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #1 Move to support the Interference Cancellation concept described in this document [09/1234r1] by inclusion of the following section and text in the Tgac spec framework document: “ 4.1 Resolvable LTFs for DL MU-MIMO In a DL MU-MIMO transmission, LTFs are considered “resolvable” when the AP transmits enough LTFs for an STA to estimate the channel to all spatial streams of every recipient STA. In order to enable interference cancellation at an STA during a DL MU-MIMO transmission, an AP may transmit the preamble using resolvable LTFs.” Move: Greg Breit (Qualcomm) Second: Brian Hart (Cisco) Yes: 52 No: 1 Abstain: 6 Passes Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #2 Move to support PHY abstraction methods as described in r0 and update FR&EM document r8 accordingly. Move: Yasuchi Takatori (NTT) Second: Minho Cheong (ETRI) Yes: No: Abstain: Motion to table passed Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #3 Move to support adding a basic guideline on the numerology for 11ac device described as in Section I of 11-10/0070r4, excluding slide 9 (max Number of users for MU remains TBD), to the spec framework document, ? Move: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) Second: Brian Hart (Cisco) Yes: 65 No:0 Abstain:1 Motion Passes Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #4 Move to support adding the 11ac preamble structure with two SIGNAL fields (VHT-SIGA located before VHT-STF and VHT-SIGB located after VHT-LTFs) as in Section III (Slide 22) of 11-10/0070r4 to the spec framework document, ? Move: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) Second: Menzo Wentink (Qualcomm) Yes: 65 No: 0 Abstain: 2 Motion Passes Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #5 Do you support to have BPSK on the 1st VHT-SIGA symbol and TBD on the 2nd VHT-SIGA symbol for VHT auto-detection, and to edit the spec framework document, , accordingly? Move: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) Second: Menzo Wentink (Qualcomm) Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Motion to Amend Motion to Amend: Move: Minho Cheong (ETRI)
March 2010 Motion to Amend Motion to Amend: Do you support to have BPSK on the 1st VHT-SIGA symbol and TBD on subsequent VHT-SIGA symbol(s) for VHT auto-detection, and to edit the spec framework document, , accordingly? Move: Minho Cheong (ETRI) Second: Andre Yes: 66 No:0 Abstain:1 Motion Passes Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Amended Motion (Motion #5)
March 2010 Amended Motion (Motion #5) Do you support to have BPSK on the 1st VHT-SIGA symbol and TBD on subsequent VHT-SIGA symbol(s) for VHT auto-detection, and to edit the spec framework document, , accordingly? Yes: 64 No: 0 Abstain: 1 Motion Passes Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Straw Poll #1 Do you agree that BSSs with non-AP STAs that have a mixture of PHY capabilities leads to inefficient use of the BSS resources, and reducing this inefficiency is a topic that merits further investigation? Yes: 57 No: 2 Abstain: 29 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Wednesday, March 17th, 08:00 – 10:00
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Wednesday, March 17th, 08:00 – 10:00 Ad Hoc Group Meetings PHY (Caribbean 1/2) Coexistence (Bonaire 1) Presentations Straw Polls Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Agenda for Thursday, March 18th, 10:30 – 12:30 (Caribbean 1/2)
doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Agenda for Thursday, March 18th, 10:30 – 12:30 (Caribbean 1/2) Call for secretary Ad Hoc group reports and straw polls MAC Ad Hoc report r2 PHY Ad Hoc report r7 MU-MIMO Ad Hoc report r2 Coexistence Ad Hoc report r5 TG Motions Specification Framework Motion ( r5) PHY Ad Hoc Motions Coexistence Ad Hoc Motions Channel Models Addendum Motion ( r11) Functional Requirements and Evaluation Methodology Motion ( rx) Specification Framework motion ( rx) Presentations Goals for May Conference calls Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #6 Move to accept document r5 as the current approved revision of the Specification Framework document. Move: Second: Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #7- PHY Ad Hoc Move to support including TBD bits for Bandwidth and STBC in VHT-SIGA and including MCS field in VHT-SIGB, and editing the spec framework document, r5, accordingly Move: Second: Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #8- PHY Ad Hoc Move to support allowing only equal modulation and coding scheme across all streams per user and stating this in the spec framework document, r5 Move: Second Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Motion #9: Coexistence Ad Hoc
March 2010 Motion #9: Coexistence Ad Hoc Move to support having the non-OBSS scenario the same as BSS A in the OBSS scenario. Move: Second: Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Motion #10: Coexistence Ad Hoc
March 2010 Motion #10: Coexistence Ad Hoc Move to support in-home entertainment scenario: changing Table 5 in 11-09/0451r11 with the changes described in slide 3 of 11-10/0384r3 changing Table 7 in 11-09/0451r11 with the changes described in slide 4 of 11-10/0384r3 deleting Figure 2 and case 2 in 11-09/0451r11? Move: Second: Yes: No: Abstain: Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #11 Move to approve document r11 as the current revision of the Channel Models Addendum document. Move: Greg Briet (Qualcomm) Second: Yes: No: Abstain Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion 12 Move to approve document rxx as the current revision of the Functional Requirements and Evaluation Methodology document. Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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March 2010 Motion #13 Move to approve document r6 as the current revision of the Specification Framework document Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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Conference call times Not overlap with TGad PHY telecon schedule
March 2010 doc.: IEEE /0251r3 March 2010 Conference call times Not overlap with TGad April 29, 10:00-12:00 ET PHY telecon schedule MAC telecon schedule Coexistence telecon schedule MU-MIMO telecon schedule Thu April 15, 10:00-11:00 ET Thu April 29, 20:00-21:00 ET Avai;able Times: April 1, 8, 15, 22, 29 May 6 Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung Osama Aboul-Magd, Samsung
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