1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
March 2019
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
26 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Monday PM
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM
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3. Agenda – 802.24-19-0007r1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - March 2019, Vancouver, BC, Canada 1
Monday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Liaison Review 15
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:35 PM
1.7
Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures"
1.8
Collaboration with : 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality)’
Godfrey / Das 30
4:50 PM
1.9
Review any comments and finalize TSN White Paper 20
5:20 PM 2
Recess
5:40 PM
Tuesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order TAG
2.2
Progressing "Network Integration" concept into a project
4:30 PM
2.3
Call to Order IoT Task Group
DiMinico
5:00 PM
2.4
Liaison Coordinator's Report
2.5
Review of IoT white paper development, expanding scope and participation
DiMinico/Godfrey
5:15 PM
2.6
Single Pair Ethernet White Paper
5:30 PM
2.7
5:45 PM
2.8
Joint Meeting with TSN
Godfrey/Farkas
6:00 PM 3
Wednesday PM2 session
3.1
3.2
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb
3.3
Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group - review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix 40
4:55 PM
3.4
Low Latency White Paper
Holland
5:25 PM
3.5
Coordination with on g and ah Coexistence project
Godfrey/Rolfe
3.6
New Action Items, New Activities, AOB 10
5:50 PM
3.7
Adjourn
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7. 802.24 TAG Approve January minutes TAG Action Items from January:
Announce IoT Matrix teleconference on reflector, with call for comments (done)
Re-announce TSN white paper call for comments for March meeting (Done)
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8. Monday
Smart Grid TG
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9. Collaboration with 802.21 AR/VR Vertical Applications
'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality)’
Subir Das
Was presented in and Subject of discussion
Vertical Applications Collaboration Opportunities
Relates to activities in Real-time.
New activity just starting on Real Time (by Oliver Holland)
Will include text contributions in March 2019.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

10. Goals for AR/VR collaboration in 802.24
IEEE 802 can create a community for developing a suite of capabilities suited for this class of applications
Moving the focus from maximizing throughput only to also consider quality of experience and reliability.
Build on Low Latency White Paper
Broadly define the set of applications (vertical and otherwise) around bounded / low latency
Look at the VR architecture diagram and consider the appropriate standard for each link. They will be a mix of wireless and wired.
IEEE 802 could provide comparable services to what is promised by 5G.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

11. Goals for AR/VR collaboration in 802.24
plans to provide the services layer above the MAC/PHY
AR/VR is an identified vertical application for Smart Grid (electric utilities) for field force, safety, and training
will liaise to other WGs if they develop amendments to their standards to support RTC.
will provide input on requirements to WGs
Vertical Application areas can provide input on specific use cases
Include representatives from related activities in other WG’s
will provide a venue for collaboration (joint meetings) at Plenary
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. TSN White Paper Comment Collection No comments as of end of February.
The TAG and TSN TG solicit comments on sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper"
Comment submittal spreadsheet provided
No comments as of end of February.
If none, have final review with and move to IEEE for publishing.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. Tuesday TAG
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14. “Network Integration” action item
Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July.
Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3GPP and the publicity on “5G”
What is meant by Network Integration?
Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market?
Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers?)
The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A “cleaner” integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing.
Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer?
Can this be developed into a white paper?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

15. Review of 802.1CF in this context
November Presentation
Max Riegel “Thoughts on IEEE 802 network integration with respect to P802.1CF” r0
Discussion
Based on many discussions of the place of in 5G.
5G SC
Conclusions – AANI integrating into 5G domain. Nothing corresponding in 3GPP
Industry connections – NENDICA
Flexible Factory IoT, Data Center Bridging
What’s missing – a picture of 802 as a peer to 5G
5G promises they will do “everything”
But, they don’t do anything wired
5G requires an extensive PLMN to support it.
It is designed to help the cellular operator grow their market
Verticals might not want an operator in the middle of their network
Value proposition: 802 networks are customer-owned
Example – Santa Clara Emergency services issues
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. Next Steps
Do we pursue a white paper in this area?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. Tuesday IoT TG
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18.
Liaison Coordinator's Report
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. 802.24.2 White Paper Status and development of IoT White paper
Ludwig is developing some related materials.
Can we pull new developments from P2413 into this white paper?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. Building engagement in TG2 IoT
Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement
What are the IoT activities in IEEE 802?
– Wi-SUN is going after IoT in addition to Smart Grid
w – LPWA another IoT focus
802.11ah (Halow), ba (WUR)
Can we find volunteers to contribute to IoT white paper?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

21. Single Pair Ethernet white paper
Review
Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process r0
Comment collection on reflector
TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT
TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25
Power over Ethernet – UL and NEC are getting involved
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22. Recess until 18:00
Then Joint meeting with TSN
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23. Wednesday TAG
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24. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from – Jay Holcomb
Discussion: Ireland consultation on 400 MHz
Further Consultation on the Release of the 410 – / 420 – MHz Sub-band
ComReg 18/92
Spectrum to be auctioned, both for LTE and in small segments of 100 KHz.
Potential for g in this? similar to “purposed” licensed spectrum in China and elsewhere. Also 15.4g can operate in Part 90 and Part 101 FCC spectrum.
This is just Ireland: will this lead to further similar actions in other regulatory areas?
1.4 GHz spectrum recently announced is being used for telemetry in oil/gas industry with s
Traditional license model – geographic ownership
Part 90
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

25. Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group
ATIS: Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions
Review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix provided by ATIS
Goal – complete review and comments, return to ATIS this week.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

26. “Low latency” White Paper
Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards
Including wired and wireless communications
An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC
A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency
The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum.
Adapting TSN’s “FRER” feature
Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum?
Operating over multiple bands or channels?
Special cases for high data rates for immersive video
Oliver Holland to lead white paper development
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

27. Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8:
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT.
Document shared in Private Area
IEC_SEG8_Deliverable2_draft_181118_ext_clean.pdf
Updated version uploaded to private area with annotations
Key chapters relevant to input from
IoT Technologies
Single-pair Ethernet (SPE)
Deterministic Networking
Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN)
V2V, V2I, V2P and V2N communication technologies
Final Opportunity to review and comment as SEG8 is finishing in next few months
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

28. g and ah Coexistence ( )
will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes.
Identify use cases where g is not sufficient and both are needed
Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle,
Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist
Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

29. 2019 TAG Activity Plan “Low latency” White Paper
Start in March
Include AR/VR activity
Nendica FFIOT might also fit into this
A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards g and ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in TG.
Can this also include applying s in sub-1GHz spectrum?
TBD
white paper on IoT and P2413
Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of u, v, w, x, y
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

30. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI