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Task Group AY July 2019 Agenda
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Task Group AY July 2019 Agenda Date: Author: Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 IEEE Task Group AY Enhanced Throughout for Operation in License-Exempt Bands Above 45 GHz Vienna, Austria July , 2019 Chair: Edward Au (Huawei) Vice Chair: Sang Kim (LG Electronics) Secretary: Jeorge Hurtarte (LitePoint) Editor: Carlos Cordeiro (Intel) Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Abstract This presentation contains the IEEE Task Group AY agenda for the July 2019 plenary session. Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Participants have a duty to inform the IEEE
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Participants have a duty to inform the IEEE Participants shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of each holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents Participants should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of any other holders of potential Essential Patent Claims Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is encouraged Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Ways to inform IEEE July 2019
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Ways to inform IEEE Cause an LOA to be submitted to the IEEE-SA or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible; or Speak up now and respond to this Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance, please respond at this time by providing relevant information to the WG Chair Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Guideline for IEEE WG meetings
July 2019 Guideline for IEEE WG meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs of different technical approaches that include relative costs of patent licensing terms may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain the primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. For more details, see IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and Antitrust and Competition Policy: What You Need to Know at Edward Au (Huawei Technologies)
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Patent related information
July 2019 Patent related information The patent policy and the procedures used to execute that policy are documented in the: IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws ( IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual ( Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at Edward Au (Huawei Technologies)
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Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings
November 2016 doc.: ec EC July 2019 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor Subgroup, Working Group, Working Group Subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. ( ) IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see section and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause “Chair”, list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Dorothy Stanley, HP Enterprise
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Required notices Patent FAQ Disclosure of Affiliation
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Required notices Patent FAQ Disclosure of Affiliation Anti-Trust Guidelines Code of Ethics IEEE Working Group Operations Manual manual.docx Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Logistics (1) Attendance recording procedures Documentation
May 2010 May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 doc.: IEEE /0503r4 July 2019 Logistics (1) Attendance recording procedures Must register before logging attendance Must log attendance during each 2-hour session Documentation Use “TGay” for submission If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Documents are prepared by individuals, not companies Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Page 10 Michael Montemurro, Research in Motion Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Logistics (2) Email reflector STDS-802-11-TGAY@listserv.ieee.org
May 2010 May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 doc.: IEEE /0503r4 July 2019 Logistics (2) reflector If you are Aspirant, Potential Voter, Voter or ExOfficio that do not receive any from the above address so far, you can request to subscribe at: Read-only reflector for other participants: Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Page 11 Michael Montemurro, Research in Motion Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Logistics (3) July 2019 Position(s) Officer(s) Chair Edward Au
November 2011 doc.: IEEE /0xxxr0 July 2019 Logistics (3) Position(s) Officer(s) Chair Edward Au Vice Chair Sang Kim Secretary Jeorge Hurtarte Editor Carlos Cordeiro Lead of Usage Model document Rob Sun Lead of Channel Model document Alexander Maltsev Lead of Functional Requirements document Lead of Evaluation Methodology document Laurent Cariou Lead of Coexistence Assurance document Claudio da Silva Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Osama Aboul-Magd (Samsung)
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Task Group AY schedule in a glance
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Task Group AY schedule in a glance MON TUE WED THU FRI AM1 AM2 AY 0.11/12, Level 0 PM1 PM2 CANCELLED PM3 Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Meeting Slot #1 Tuesday, 10:30am – 12:30pm July 2019 May 2015
doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Meeting Slot #1 Tuesday, 10:30am – 12:30pm Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Agenda Call meeting to order Patent policy and logistics
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Agenda Call meeting to order Patent policy and logistics Agenda items for the week Progress since the May 2019 interim Motions Call for submission Agenda setting for each session Timeline review Draft readiness for initial SA technical letter ballot Comment resolution/Presentation Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Agenda items for the week
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Agenda items for the week Progress review Timeline review Draft readiness for the initial SA technical letter ballot Comment resolution for second recirculation working group letter ballot LB242 Comments on PAR extension request Technical presentation Goal for September 2019 interim Teleconference call schedule Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Summary from May 2019 interim
doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Summary from May 2019 interim All remaining CIDs for LB239 are resolved and approved. PAR extension request is approved. A motion is passed to prepare D4.0 and start a 15-day second recirculation Working Group technical letter ballot. Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Progress since the end of the May interim
doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Progress since the end of the May interim IEEE SA ballot pool is formed 137 members enrolled Valid until January 3, 2020 A 18-day second recirculation Working Group letter ballot, LB242, is closed Passed with an approval rate of 97.74% Result is updated on July 14 64 comments: 21 Technical; 43 Editorial Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Task Group Documents (1)
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Task Group Documents (1) (as of July 14, 2019) DCN Title 15/0625r7 IEEE ay TGay use cases 15/0866r4 TGay evaluation methodology 15/1074r0 TGay functional requirements 15/1079r2 TGay selection procedure 15/1150r9 Channel models for IEEE ay 17/1288r3 TGay coexistence assurance document Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Task Group Documents (2)
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Task Group Documents (2) (as of July 14, 2019) DCN Title 17/0186r14 A compendium of motions related to the contents of the draft amendment for TGay 17/0649r9 Comment spreadsheet for CC24 (D0.3) 18/0067r11 Comment spreadsheet for LB231 (D1.0) 18/1483r7 Comment spreadsheet for LB234 (D2.0) 19/0297r8 Comment spreadsheet for LB239 (D3.0) 19/1180r0 Comment spreadsheet for LB242 (D4.0) Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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May 2019 interim meeting minutes
doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #621: May 2019 interim meeting minutes Move to approve Task Group AY minutes of meetings from the May 2019 interim: Move: Claudio da Silva Second: Alecsander Eitan Result: Approved with unanimous consent Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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July 10th teleconference call minutes
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #622: July 10th teleconference call minutes Move to approve Task Group AY minutes of the teleconference call on July 10, 2019: Move: Claudio da Silva Second: Alecsander Eitan Result: Approved with unanimous consent Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Call for submission July 2019 DCN Presenter Title Topic & Time
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Call for submission DCN Presenter Title Topic & Time 19/1220r0 Solomon Trainin LB242 comments resolution CR 20 minutes 19/1270r0 Li-Hsiang Sun Proposed resolution of CID 5060 10 minutes 19/1180r2 Carlos Cordeiro Comment spreadsheet for LB242 (D4.0) 30 minutes Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Agenda setting for each session
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Agenda setting for each session Tuesday AM2, 10:30am – 12:30pm Patent policy and logistics Agenda items for the week Progress since the May 2019 interim Motions: Approve prior meeting minutes Call for submission Agenda setting for each session Timeline review Draft readiness for initial SA technical letter ballot Reminders Comment resolution/Presentation Thursday AM2, 10:30am – 12:30pm Patent policy and logistics Update on PAR extension request Updated timeline Comment resolution/Presentation Motions Goal for September 2019 interim Teleconference call schedule Any other business Adjourn Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Timeline as of November 2018
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Timeline as of November 2018 2019/01: Draft 3.0 Letter Ballot recirculation 2019/02: Complete Mandatory Draft Review [Complete in 2019/05] 2019/03: Form Sponsor Ballot Pool [Complete on July 3, 2019] 2019/05: Draft 4.0 Letter Ballot recirculation [Complete on July 8, 2019] 2019/07: Seek EC approval for Sponsor Ballot 2019/07: Draft 4.0 unchanged recirculation 2019/08: Initial Sponsor Ballot (Draft 5.0) 2019/11: Recirculation Sponsor Ballot (Draft 6.0) 2020/01: Second Recirculation Sponsor Ballot (Draft. 7.0) 2020/02: Third Recirculation Sponsor Ballot (Draft 7.0 unchanged) 2020/03: Final WG Approval 2020/03: Final EC Approval 2020/05: RevCom & Standards Board Final Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Options on the start date of the first SA technical letter ballot (1)
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Options on the start date of the first SA technical letter ballot (1) Option 1 Reject all comments with sufficient justification in the July plenary (4 sessions); Seek IEEE 802 EC (conditional) approval for going to IEEE SA ballot using D4.0 in the IEEE 802 EC closing plenary on July 19; Issue another 15-day recirculation working group letter ballot for D4.0 (i.e., unchanged draft) tentatively from July 22 to August 5; Start a 30-day IEEE SA technical ballot tentatively from August 12 to September 11. Option 2 Resolve all comments in the July plenary (4 sessions) Seek IEEE 802 EC (conditional) approval for going to IEEE SA ballot using D5.0 in the IEEE 802 EC closing plenary on July 19; Presuming Editor needs two weeks to prepare D5.0, issue a 15-day recirculation working group letter ballot tentatively from August 5 to August 19; Reject all the comments received from D5.0 with sufficient justification as soon as possible during teleconference calls; Start a 15-day recirculation working group letter ballot for D5.0 (i.e., unchanged draft) immediately afterwards, which requires a task group motion in a teleconference call (see the condition set in the previous slide); Start a 30-day IEEE SA technical ballot immediately afterwards. Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Options on the start date of the first SA technical letter ballot (2)
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Options on the start date of the first SA technical letter ballot (2) Option 3 Resolve all comments in the July plenary and the September interim; Start a 15-day recirculation working group letter ballot for D5.0 after the end of the September interim; Resolve comments from D5.0 in the November plenary; Start a 15-day recirculation working group letter ballot for D5.0 (i.e., unchanged draft) after the end of the November plenary Seek EC a conditional approval to go to the IEEE SA technical letter ballot on D5.0 Start a 30-day IEEE SA technical ballot tentatively in December 2019, prior to the validity period of the IEEE SA ballot (January 3, 2020) Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Timeline update if Option 3 follows
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Timeline update if Option 3 follows 2019/09: Third recirculation WGLB on Draft 5.0 2019/11: Seek EC approval for SA technical letter ballot 2019/11: Fourth recirculation WGLB on Draft 5.0 (i.e., unchanged draft) 2019/12: Initial SA technical letter ballot (Draft 5.0) 2020/03: First recirculation SA letter ballot (Draft 6.0) 2020/04: Second Recirculation Sponsor Ballot (Draft 7.0) 2020/05: Third Recirculation Sponsor Ballot (Draft 7.0 unchanged) 2020/07: Final WG approval 2020/07: Final EC approval 2020/09: RevCom & Standards Board Final Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Inputs from task group members
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Inputs from task group members during the July 10th call Want to have useful work done in the September interim Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Inputs from the CAC session on Sunday
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Inputs from the CAC session on Sunday Baseline is not ready IEEE md is (and IEEE ax are) still working on technical recirculation letter ballots. For TGay to start SA Ballot prior to the projects that it is dependent on is like putting a cart before the horse. TGay should plan to go to SA Ballot no sooner than TGax and REVmd as it cannot go to RevCom no sooner either. Trying to get ahead is not really reasonable as the text in the dependent text may cause changes in TGay. Future action cannot be promised We cannot promise the commenters who withdraw the comments to resolve their comments in future ballots The number of Disapprove technical comments is non-negligible 9 comments are not a marginal/negligible number Need to resolve all editorial comments Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Reminder on comment resolution
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Reminder on comment resolution A few reminders Make sure the proposed resolution is executable by the Editor, e.g., please avoid that there is not enough info to be able for the Editor to resolve the comment without creating text by himself. Make sure to call out not only the page and line number, but also the draft version and clause number in your comment resolution document, because the page and line numbers (also the figure and table numbers) change on subsequent revisions of the drafts Reference: Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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making changes to the approved draft
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Reminder on making changes to the approved draft A few reminders The task group that “owns” the draft can make any changes it likes for any reason whatsoever during the ballot cycle, provided that the changes are approved by 75% motion in the TG. These changes are recirculated to voters, and identified in the draft redline. Voters can comment on these changes and may vote “no” if they don’t like them. In the interest of reaching closure, the TG is advised to limit these changes to the early stages of a ballot series. Reference: Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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List of contributions July 2019 DCN Presenter Title Topic & Time
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 List of contributions DCN Presenter Title Topic & Time 19/1220r0 Solomon Trainin LB242 comments resolution CR 20 minutes 19/1270r0 Li-Hsiang Sun Proposed resolution of CID 5060 10 minutes 19/1180r2 Carlos Cordeiro Comment spreadsheet for LB242 (D4.0) 30 minutes Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Meeting Slot #2 Thursday, 10:30am – 12:30pm July 2019 May 2015
doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Meeting Slot #2 Thursday, 10:30am – 12:30pm Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Agenda Call meeting to order Patent policy and logistics
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Agenda Call meeting to order Patent policy and logistics Update on PAR Extension Request Update on timeline Comment resolution/Presentation Motions Goal for September 2019 interim Teleconference call schedule Recess/Adjourn Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Update on PAR Extension Request
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Update on PAR Extension Request We have received no comments from IEEE 802 EC members and other IEEE 802 Working Groups on our PAR extension request document (19/0673r0). The request will be considered by the IEEE 802 EC in its closing plenary on Friday (July 19) afternoon. Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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(based on the discussion on Tuesday AM2)
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Tentative timeline (based on the discussion on Tuesday AM2) 2019/09: Third recirculation WGLB on Draft 5.0 2019/11: Seek EC approval for SA technical letter ballot 2019/11: Fourth recirculation WGLB on Draft 5.0 (i.e., unchanged draft) 2019/12: Initial SA technical letter ballot (Draft 5.0) 2020/03: First recirculation SA letter ballot (Draft 6.0) 2020/04: Second Recirculation SA Ballot (Draft 7.0) 2020/05: Third Recirculation SA Ballot (Draft 7.0 unchanged) 2020/07: Final WG approval 2020/07: Final EC approval 2020/09: RevCom & Standards Board Final Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Motion #623: Comment Resolution
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #623: Comment Resolution Move to accept the comment resolution for CIDs 5033, 5034, 5039, 5042, 5043, 5063, and 5061 as proposed in 19/1220r0. Move: Solomon Trainin Second: Claudio da Silva Result: The motion is passed (18 Yes; 0 No; 0 Abstain). Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Motion #624: Comment Resolution
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #624: Comment Resolution Move to accept the comment resolution for CID 5060 as proposed in 19/1270r0. Move: Li-Hsiang Sun Second: Sang Kim Result: The motion is passed (17 Yes; 0 No; 0 Abstain). Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Motion #625: Comment Resolution
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #625: Comment Resolution Move to accept the comment resolution for CIDs 5044, 5053, 5052, 5062, 5035, 5030, 5056, 5057, and 5025 as proposed in 19/1180r3. Move: Carlos Cordeiro Second: Solomon Trainin Result: The motion is passed (17 Yes; 0 No; 0 Abstain). Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Motion #626: Comment Resolution
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Motion #626: Comment Resolution Move to approve the proposed resolution for 42 editorial comments assigned to Carlos Cordeiro and Motozuka Hiroyuki in 19/1180r3 and incorporate the indicated changes into the Draft 4.0 of the IEEE ay amendment. Move: Carlos Cordeiro Second: Solomon Trainin Result: The motion is passed (17 Yes; 0 No; 0 Abstain). Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Goals for September 2019 interim
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Goals for September 2019 interim Comment resolution Draft readiness for third recirculation WG letter ballot Technical presentation Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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Teleconference schedule
May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Teleconference schedule July 31 (Wednesday), 10:00am ET – 11:30am ET August 14 (Wednesday), 10:00am ET – 11:30am ET August 28 (Wednesday), 10:00am ET – 11:30am ET September 4 (Wednesday), 10:00am ET – 11:30am ET Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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May 2015 doc.: IEEE /0496r1 July 2019 Any other business TGmd needs inputs from TGay on the following 4 CIDs: CID 2066 CID 2070 CID 2071 CID 2094 Edward Au (Huawei Technologies) Edward Au (Marvell Semiconductor)
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